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Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10
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If that's the case, I assume that MPBs are being rushed for a few consecutive years in a row. Let's be honest here, Apple is no more a computer company. Their priorities have been shifted.
However, I don't know if it really matters anymore. I don't think there are still many professionals left out there, that rely on their workstations to pay their rent, who still use apple or trust apple in order to make such a big investment.
Again, given how little you think of the ecosystem, you spend an awful lot of time talking about it.
Final Cut Pro X has been improving and quietly growing its user base, as people move away from the stability, work flow and pricing issues of Adobe’s suite. Final Cut Pro X and DaVinici Resolve have both been gaining. Glad that you were such a devoted Apple user, that you do not even know what iWork is (Pages, Numbers and Keynote). As for iLife (Photos, iMovie, GarageBand and Music) Steve killed iWeb, and iDVD and the others are still quite successful.
Despite the devoted few, Desktop Linux users are not becoming meaningfully more common.
Given how much time you spend in this forum, you do not seem very liberated.
First you are incorrect. The SSD in the iMac Pro is also connected to the motherboard and is also high speed.
Other than that, you miss my point. For people who want the flexibility of a tower, you FIRST have to spend six grand on an woefully under specced and relatively slow computer. That’s the issue.
Correct me if I am wrong, but don’t the case, cooling, power supply and motherboard all cost money? Are people expecting Apple to just give that away for free?
Off-hand, I estimate the case and cooling cost about $1000, maybe $500 for the power supply, and that motherboard looks like it easily exceeds $1000 as well. Put them all together, tack on the CPU, GPU, ram and storage, throw on the typical Apple margin, and it seems about right.
Apple obviously isn’t going to address both the mid end and the extreme high end at the same time. So the only way this makes financial sense is if you tack on enough upgrades and drive up the price so high that the cost of the case is practically a rounding error at this point.
I am not sure what you expect Apple to do exactly.
Why is it that so few people—on this forum, or in real life—are man enough to admit when they make a simple (and easily understandable) mistake? Good God we’re all human, we all make mistakes!
Three things have served me very well, in both my personal life and particularly in my career: 1) keeping an open enough mind to realize when I was wrong; 2) admit when I’m wrong; and 3) own that and genuinely apologize.
Kudos to you Nugget. As someone who has been following the exchange between @Alan Wynn and OP from the beginning, it was obvious Nugget that both you and Alan knew your “stuff”, were both “right” but were talking somewhat at cross-purposes. In person these convos are quicker and you can often get to the “I see what you mean” point much quicker. Written responses, carefully worded with cogent points (on both sides) takes a lot of time and effort but ultimately can lead to the same conclusion.
It’s unfortunate that emotional maturity is in such short supply around here but there are still enough good posters—despite all the trolls—that it’s still worth hanging out here. People can argue, and don’t have to be so invested and dug into their positions to the point where it’s not possible for one side to say, “oh ok, when you put it that way I get what what you mean now” and for the other to gracefully acknowledge that.
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I work in the AAA games industry. Macs have been an extinct species here for a very, very long time.
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Then it must depend on the industry. Pro CG and AAA game dev is 100% Windows.
It seems OP was referring to editing and mixing, and in the facilities he or she works in. It’s cool that your company uses PCs though.
It is high speed, but the largest supported is 4TB, and anyone who needs more high speed internal disk space would consider the Mac Pro.
You look at it one way, I look at it another: a machine with a great deal of headroom to grow in any direction needed. This machine is targeted towards the high end of the market, while allowing mid-tier users to purchase it as well and upgrade it over time. Clearly it is not the machine you want, but there are many others for whom it is a great choice.
Have to agree with you here!
I agree. Fortunately, I am never wrong, so that is not a problem for me. :-D (Were that only true!)
Totally agree. (Even liked his snark about the wheels and the goal posts.)
Yup. One of the biggest problems in these discussions is that people have very different starting points for their needs and neither understand nor acknowledge that there are other options. I completely understand that there are many use cases that Apple does not address well, but I also recognize that it will always be the case. Do I wish that Apple built a Mac Mini Pro (I mostly want ECC RAM which means either Xeon or AMD at the moment and more Thunderbolt IO)? Sure. Do I advocate for it? Not on here, as I am not sure the market is there for it.
Just one example.
Maybe at your studio. Many studios have developers and artists on Macs, even for studios that do not release non-windows versions. Quite a few of the cut scenes are edited on Macs.
Wait, are you saying different industries are different? Who would have thought that? I am not sure how you define Pro CG, but there are quite a few effects houses that use Macs. The most popular tools all support macOS and do so because people pay for it.
I am a high end user, in the sense that I would benefit greatly from fast GPUs and 28 cores.
The problem is that for high end prices, you get low or mid range performance.
for $6000 I would expect higher performance and more storage than an iPad Pro.
Sorry, if you consider $6,000 “high end prices”, you are not talking about the same high end. As has been demonstrated repeatedly on here, this machine is priced similarly to other professional workstations from Dell and HP. Those, however, do not support macOS, 4 separate Thunderbolt busses, MPX Slots or the Afterburner card.
Again, you keep making it clear that this machine does not address your needs, so you should not worry about it. If your needs do not include macOS, and do include nVidia, it is possible that Apple will never address them. While I love my iPad Pro, it is not in the same league as this machine and comparing the two is meaningless. My iPad Pro does not support 10Gb/e (or any Ethernet at all, for that matter), does not support Thunderbolt, nor an Afterburner card. That card adds more to many video workflows than either the CPU or GPU, and is a Mac Pro exclusive right now.
Maybe things will change when Apple releases a Mac Pro based on its own CPU architecture, with a different price/performance curve, but for the moment, this is a great machine for a set of users and not appropriate for other sets of users. As has always been the case, Apple does not serve all possible use cases, and while people might wish they did, it is not going to happen.