Apple's Corporate Employees Returning to Offices on Hybrid Schedule Starting Today

[scheinderrob]

You must be working with respectful people.
Guess what happens when they don't get a hold of you?
It will be your manager that tries to get a hold of you within minutes because the very same individuals reached out to the manager for the most trivial things.

On the other hand, that sounded like victim-shaming.

yes, i do generally work with respectful people. sounds like you should try to find another job, your workplace sounds toxic. trust me, they aren't all like that!

 

[uberzephyr]

I don't get people that want to WFH forever and say that they can do everything they can do in the office over zoom. I'm like, ok, don't go to the bar or restaurants with friends in person and just do those over zoom too, you were doing that fine during the last couple years.

Those are 2 totally different scenarios. "Bars or restaurants with friends in person" can only happen, by definition *in person*. "Work" can happen in the office or remotely, and yes I am fortunate enough to have the type of job that can be totally performed in a WFH scenario with no impact in effectiveness.

 

[noone]

even the traffic cones are WHITE? ... lol

That's a commitment to an aesthetic that I can support. I went all over hell's half-acre one time trying to find clear toothbrushes to use as decorative props in our guest bath.

 

[No5tromo]

"Back to normality": Less time for yourself, less time for your family, road rage and commuting stress, less sleep, dealing socially with people you don't want to deal with, less productive, exposing yourself and others to health risk, dedicating your life to a corp, unnecessary stress... I could go on... even though I do agree that we need to get back to normality Covid taught us that having to work in the office is bul***, working remotely should be the standard, we more than ever got the technology, if only Apple was related to tech and could see that... oh wait

 

[macsound1]

I think the real question to be answered is why?
Why this date?
Why Monday Tuesday Thursday?
Why not just employees that work in Apple Park and Infinite loop?
Surely all those other office buildings are leased.
Apple has a lot of money. I'm sure there's investment in part of that - they want to make money on the real estate they own, but I'm also sure that the shuttle busses, baristas, cooks, janitors, security, and utilities to run cost a pretty penny.
So are they really just head over heals embedded in corporate culture?
Do they not know how many zoom meetings happen and will continue to happen - not because of covid but because why take the shuttle or bike to a building 3 blocks over.

 

[mdkdue]

"Back to normality": Less time for yourself, less time for your family, road rage and commuting stress, less sleep, dealing socially with people you don't want to deal with, less productive, exposing yourself and others to health risk, dedicating your life to a corp, unnecessary stress... I could go on... even though I do agree that we need to get back to normality Covid taught us that having to work in the office is bul***, working remotely should be the standard, we more than ever got the technology, if only Apple was related to tech and could see that... oh wait

In other words…I can’t be bothered to get off my arse and MAKE THE EFFORT to go to work…and I will come up with a ton of ‘reasons’ to justify it.

 

[4jasontv]

In other words…I can’t be bothered to get off my arse and MAKE THE EFFORT to go to work…and I will come up with a ton of ‘reasons’ to justify it.

No. Not at all. That isn't anything they were saying, nor is it accurate.

 

[mdkdue]

Socialise? Do you think work is some kind of social event? I know office relationships are important for some people, but I suspect that the majority of people don't particular want any social contact with their co-workers - they want to hang out with friends and family.

I can accept that a certain amount of "social glue" can be good for team cohesion, and therefore performance, but the fundamental purpose of work is surely...work...not play.

Wow, you sound like a great person to be mates with. You do realise you spend more of your waking life interacting with work colleagues than your family right? That’s just a fact, time doesn’t lie. Is it so hard to think that some of those colleagues could become friends too?

 

[4jasontv]

Wow, you sound like a great person to be mates with. You do realise you spend more of your waking life interacting with work colleagues than your family right? That’s just a fact, time doesn’t lie. Is it so hard to think that some of those colleagues could become friends too?

Again, no. Friendly does not mean friends. If you are spending more time with coworkers than your family then you work for a toxic organization. Those organizations shouldn't even begin considering returning to the office because they have bigger issues to address. At any time one of you could be promoted over someone else and boom - friendship now becomes a liability.

 

[mdkdue]

No. Not at all. That isn't anything they were saying, nor is it accurate.

Yeah sure, ok.

 

[Pirate!]

Wow, you sound like a great person to be mates with. You do realise you spend more of your waking life interacting with work colleagues than your family right? That’s just a fact, time doesn’t lie. Is it so hard to think that some of those colleagues could become friends too?

I think that’s something that some people would specifically like to change.

 

[mdkdue]

Again, no. Friendly does not mean friends. If you are spending more time with coworkers than your family then you work for a toxic organization. Those organizations shouldn't even begin considering returning to the office because they have bigger issues to address. At any time one of you could be promoted over someone else and boom - friendship now becomes a liability.

Just what!?
It is a FACT that if you spend 8 hours a day with your colleagues , Monday to Friday, remotely or in person, then that essentially equates to more waking time than with your own family, I’m not making that up, it’s just a fact. So why could you not make proper FRIENDS in that time? I never used the word ‘friendly’…I said FRIENDS

 

[mdkdue]

I think that’s something that some people would specifically like to change.

Maybe, but not all.

 

[Ethosik]

Again, no. Friendly does not mean friends. If you are spending more time with coworkers than your family then you work for a toxic organization. Those organizations shouldn't even begin considering returning to the office because they have bigger issues to address. At any time one of you could be promoted over someone else and boom - friendship now becomes a liability.

I work 40 hours a week. After work, I spend time with family and friends. So lets be on the LOW estimate here (since I go to bed at 1 AM, I will make the estimates very low)

Work 8-5PM business days - 5 days - 40 hours a week
Spend time with friends and family (since WFH - immediately after 5 PM) 5-10PM on business days, and all day Saturday and Sunday (say 16 hours each with 8 hours sleep) - 57 hours a week.

Looks like I spend more time with friends and family than work. And its not like I am spending every second with Joe Somebody for all 40 hours every week. I might only see that one person for one hour a week.

 

[Ethosik]

Just what!?
It is a FACT that if you spend 8 hours a day with your colleagues , Monday to Friday, remotely or in person, then that essentially equates to more waking time than with your own family, I’m not making that up, it’s just a fact. So why could you not make proper FRIENDS in that time? I never used the word ‘friendly’…I said FRIENDS

No its not fact. Look at my post 164. You have more time allotted to you to spend with family and friends than work. Unless you work more than 40 hours.

 

[4jasontv]

Just what!?
It is a FACT that if you spend 8 hours a day with your colleagues , Monday to Friday, remotely or in person, then that essentially equates to more waking time than with your own family, I’m not making that up, it’s just a fact. So why could you not make proper FRIENDS in that time? I never used the word ‘friendly’…I said FRIENDS

1. You don’t spend 8 hour with any one coworker. You don’t even spend 8 hours with the sim of your coworkers. Most of the time is spent working not socializing.
2. I’ll repeat what I said before, why would you risk a promotion by trying to be friends with someone? What if have to fire them someday?

Be friendly, sure. But being friends, beyond a summer job or a dead end position, is a bad idea.

 

[usagora]

Is there any data on whether this policy has led to an increase in turnover at Apple?

Did someone say Apple turnover? Yum!

 

[4jasontv]

I work 40 hours a week. After work, I spend time with family and friends. So lets be on the LOW estimate here (since I go to bed at 1 AM, I will make the estimates very low)

Work 8-5PM business days - 5 days - 40 hours a week
Spend time with friends and family (since WFH - immediately after 5 PM) 5-10PM on business days, and all day Saturday and Sunday (say 16 hours each with 8 hours sleep) - 57 hours a week.

Looks like I spend more time with friends and family than work. And its not like I am spending every second with Joe Somebody for all 40 hours every week. I might only see that one person for one hour a week.

I’m m not sure what this has to do with what I said.

 

[Ethosik]

I’m m not sure what this has to do with what I said.

You said this: If you are spending more time with coworkers than your family then you work for a toxic organization.

I was agreeing with you.

 

[jonnyb098]

It’s just an opinion based on historical record and logic. It might be different this time. Eventually it has to be different.

And no, we shouldn’t go back. Neither to the office or not wearing masks.

Nothing you’ve contributed(or lack ther of) to this thread is based on logic. Rather extreme emotion and fear. The total opposite of logic And rationality.

I really do feel bad for you. Sad really. Living in fear is a form of being terrorized.

 

[Fomalhaut]

Those are 2 totally different scenarios. "Bars or restaurants with friends in person" can only happen, by definition *in person*. "Work" can happen in the office or remotely, and yes I am fortunate enough to have the type of job that can be totally performed in a WFH scenario with no impact in effectiveness.

I agree. You can't eat a meal or have a drink remotely, but you *can* do a lot of work remotely.

I can't see how anyone can really refute this, unless their entire understanding of the concept of "work" is fundamentally different to mine.

 

[Fred Zed]

Thoughts and Prayers.

 

[mdkdue]

Again, no. Friendly does not mean friends. If you are spending more time with coworkers than your family then you work for a toxic organization. Those organizations shouldn't even begin considering returning to the office because they have bigger issues to address. At any time one of you could be promoted over someone else and boom - friendship now becomes a liability.

To be honest the only thing toxic thing around here is these forums.

Anyway, i am sure you all obviously know better than those who run one of the top 10 most successful companies in the world, that's why you are all earning 100 million+ a year right?

 

[mdatwood]

To be honest the only thing toxic thing around here is these forums.

Anyway, i am sure you all obviously know better than those who run one of the top 10 most successful companies in the world, that's why you are all earning 100 million+ a year right?

No need to appeal to authority. It's hard to know Apple's motives here. It really could be they spent billions on the spaceship office and now need to get some use out of it (you'd be surprised how many top people make pure ego driven decisions). Whether or not forcing people back into the office is a good or bad move will play out over time. Will top people attrit more often or will they struggle to find the best engineers? We'll see over time.

The toxicity here I don't understand. Both ways of working, work (for software dev). Office/remote have plusses and minuses, and it's up to those working in the environment to leverage them. Neither is inherently better in every category, but having done both as an IC, manager, and owner, I've made both work.

 

[4jasontv]

To be honest the only thing toxic thing around here is these forums.

Anyway, i am sure you all obviously know better than those who run one of the top 10 most successful companies in the world, that's why you are all earning 100 million+ a year right?

Everyone knows money equals being right.