They could always switch to AMD next. That would solve the issue of large CPUs and GPUs for the Mac Pro.
Unfortunately, they clearly don't give a **** about the Mac Pro, and 2019 blip aside, have been trying to kill it since 2012.
They could always switch to AMD next. That would solve the issue of large CPUs and GPUs for the Mac Pro.
Unlike some on these forums (not the PPC forum), I believe regulation is important and positive.
If companies can do whatever they like, you can't blame them for doing what their shareholders demand - maximise profits.
Even if Tim Cook were fully on board with recycling, he'd be almost powerless to go in that direction, as he'd just be leaving (their) money on the table. Regulations help companies do the right thing.
It takes a special kind of brass neck to tout the superiority of PPC one year, then go on stage the next and not only announce a transition to Intel, but emphasise how much of an improvement it is over PPC. Luckily, SJ had absolutely no shame, and the Apple faithful were a whoopin' and a hollerin' by the end of his presentation.
It's pretty much this I was alluding to in my original comment in this thread.My analogy is - imagine driving a Volkswagen and there’s a Toyota driving work colleague who goes out of his way to tell you what a bad car you have, quotes selectively from car review magazines to emphasise your stupidity for driving a Volkswagen and makes this his main topic of conversation…for about seven years.
Then, one Monday morning he turns up to work in a new Volkswagen and proceeds to boast how it’s the only car for him and how Volkswagen are clearly a superior brand…
Imaging being the Mac apologist and evangelist the day after the Intel switch. I was not one, but I heard all about it from various sources and places before the switch - and then the silence afterwards.
For a time…then Apple quality started to degrade. Oh, it's still of some level better today, but higher end PCs and parts can match the quality. It just used to be far better.They could still fall back on the superior usability and reliability of macOS compared to Windows.
I don't recall anyone much noticing, or caring, about the switch to Intel from PPC.
That said, since I was still using my Sawtooth well into 2016, I was clearly more concerned about the job it did than the speed it ran - comparative to Intel systems or in isolation.
My analogy is - imagine driving a Volkswagen and there’s a Toyota driving work colleague who goes out of his way to tell you what a bad car you have, quotes selectively from car review magazines to emphasise your stupidity for driving a Volkswagen and makes this his main topic of conversation…for about seven years.
Then, one Monday morning he turns up to work in a new Volkswagen and proceeds to boast how it’s the only car for him and how Volkswagen are clearly a superior brand…
Indeed.
And the OS was special… until it no longer was special.
::insert my usual CF whinge here::
Worse still are the Apple users who defend everything Apple do, and acting like paying for AppleCare is always the solution.
Yep - there's a considerable list - exploding batteries, bad capacitors, GPUs, soldering joints and my personal gripe a non-functional SD card reader on my Mac mini - a common fault for which the solution is "buy a new Mac...."
I'm not even going to bother with that.That's pretty extreme, and suggests a very undemanding use case that's OK running on an ancient OS. Anyone wanting to use a computer to, e.g. surf the web, would have had a vastly better user experience with a cheap Windows 7 PC in 2016 than a 17 year old PPC Mac running Tiger or Leopard. A nice UI counts for a lot, but it's not like performance is irrelevant, unless you're extremely patient or have very light needs.
The cult-worshippers who happily do Apple's bidding without remuneration. They truly are disturbing. No matter what the circumstances, it's guaranteed that they'll perform incredible mental gymnastics to defend Apple - even when its actions are patently indefensible. They're more aggressive and zealous than Apple's own employees and they do this all for free.
I'm not even going to bother with that, it's just plain insulting.
Well, whereas for Apple employee's it's a paycheck, for the zealots it's emotional investment.
Read the OP original question - I've responded to that, not a years-after-the-event take on things.Out in the real world, rather than in this little echo chamber of self-affirming expertise, I don't recall anyone much noticing, or caring, about the switch to Intel from PPC.
I’d wager that the hype surrounding the iPhone resulted in more Mac adopters than the transition to Intel did. The portion of buyers that even knew about the possibility of running Windows on an Intel Mac must have been tiny.Right. It's not like Macs took off in popularity once they were able to boot / virtualise Windows, making them much less of a risk / compromise to buy into. Plus, you don't need to be tech obsessive to appreciate the performance improvement of a C2D over a G4 in your laptop.
I’d wager that the hype surrounding the iPhone resulted in more Mac adopters than the transition to Intel did. The portion of buyers that even knew about the possibility of running Windows on an Intel Mac must have been tiny.
Bit difficult to say, given two events occurred quite close together - the first Intel Macs were released in June 2006,
and the iPhone was released in June 2007 (with both announced 6-12 months ahead of that).
According to these statistics
Thanks, but I was not specifically addressing your contributions. In fact by and large, I think a lot of what has been said here is interesting and in places, very informative. What it has also (tended) to be is very opinion-as-fact for which I have little respect, and judgmental, which isn't helpful. Not to mention rather off topic in terms of the OP's original question - which was specifically what I was trying to address.Read the OP original question - I've responded to that, not a years-after-the-event take on things.
Boot Camp was in Beta until October 2007 though. So, it probably wasn't a big driver of sales early on. I'd imagine though that particularly businesses must have liked to have the option to go with either OS.Bit difficult to say, given two events occurred quite close together - the first Intel Macs were released in June 2006, and the iPhone was released in June 2007 (with both announced 6-12 months ahead of that). Personally, I waited before buying into either, with a C2D 15" MBP an iPhone 3GS respectively. Anecdotally, many people on these forums seemed to have bought an Intel Mac as their first Mac.
According to these statistics, Mac market share has been gradually rising throughout the 2000's. In this animated pie-chart based on those statistics, it shows up as a notable entry from mid-2006.
I couldn't immediately find any statistics on Boot Camp, but I'd imagine it enabled a bunch of people to get a decent 27" iMac, with the justification that it could do double duty as a gaming PC. And there were likely a fair few people who were able to use MBPs in a work environment, as they could run a Windows-only app under Parallels when necessary.
Even if someone don't wind up using either in practice, knowing that they had the option might have helped bring in new users who were on the fence. Plus, the future of the Mac was a lot more assured once it started using commodity PC parts, after the yo-yoing progress under PPC.
January 2006.Bit difficult to say, given two events occurred quite close together - the first Intel Macs were released in June 2006 [...]
Nonetheless, the XOM challenge to get XP running on an Intel Mac was mastered in March 2006, and I'm speculating the Boot Camp beta being launched a few weeks later was no coincidence, i.e. Apple wanted people to XP-ise Macs “the official way”.Boot Camp was in Beta until October 2007 though. So, it probably wasn't a big driver of sales early on.
... or because it came with a unique-at-the-time* display that could be used with a gaming PC.I couldn't immediately find any statistics on Boot Camp, but I'd imagine it enabled a bunch of people to get a decent 27" iMac, with the justification that it could do double duty as a gaming PC.
I think it's fair for folks to have felt sore with the first generation of Intel Macs as Apple unjustifiably left them behind far sooner than they had to, just like how some folks felt sore with the last generation of PPC Macs. But for their time they were – and still are – very solid and capable machines. I lived out of a 1.86 Ghz Core Duo A1181 for a couple of years and was surprised by how much I could do in terms of retro gaming thanks to Wineskin and CrossOver. In fact Lion actually was annoying in that it broke quite a few older Windows games that ran really, really well on that hardware. And with a low-end Linux distro, combined with an SSD upgrade, that Mac was amazing. I also spent a couple of months on a Core Duo MacBook Pro, and with some better thermal paste and mindful use of apps to reduce OS graphics and resource usage, I had a great experience with it.The first generation of Intel users were really shafted. Apple quickly moved on to the Core 2 Duo and 64 bit EFI, which had a decent OS lifespan. The first gen laptops also seemed to overheat a fair bit.
Which was fair for people who wanted a PowerBook G5. But for people needing to upgrade their portable setup from older G4, G3, or 603-equipped PowerBooks, the Core Duo MacBook Pros provided a very compelling performance increase, especially after Apple bumped up the clock speeds pre-sale from 1.67 Ghz / 1.86 Ghz to 1.86 Ghz / 2.0 Ghz.As a G5 owner I couldn't take the Intel Macs seriously before the Core 2 because the Core Duo was only 32bit capable.
It takes a special kind of brass neck to tout the superiority of PPC one year, then go on stage the next and not only announce a transition to Intel, but emphasise how much of an improvement it is over PPC. Luckily, SJ had absolutely no shame, and the Apple faithful were a whoopin' and a hollerin' by the end of his presentation.
I think it's fair for folks to have felt sore with the first generation of Intel Macs as Apple unjustifiably left them behind far sooner than they had to, just like how some folks felt sore with the last generation of PPC Macs. But for their time they were – and still are – very solid and capable machines.
As a G5 owner I couldn't take the Intel Macs seriously before the Core 2 because the Core Duo was only 32bit capable.
The first generation of Intel users were really shafted. Apple quickly moved on to the Core 2 Duo and 64 bit EFI, which had a decent OS lifespan.
The first gen laptops also seemed to overheat a fair bit.
With the Mac Pro 1,1, I believe it was actually just an EFI issue; the CPUs were 64-bit. Would've been nice of Apple to provide those Macs with an updated 64-bit EFI, but Apple's gonna Apple I guess...
I can certainly think of worse Macs out there. Yes, the Core Duo MacBook Pro ran hot, but I'd much rather use one of those than any of the later MacBook Pros with Nvidia or AMD GPUs that were guaranteed to fail, the later 13" MacBook Pros suffering from chronic drive cable failure, or any of the agressively locked down T2-equipped Intel Macs with that Godawful butterfly keyboard.
I remember that in the corner of the Mac web that I hung out in at the time, there was an acute awareness that the situation for desktop PowerPC development had passed an inflection point. Freescale's public roadmap for the PowerPC post-PPC 75xx increasingly stressed embedded applications, and IBM didn't seem to be making much visible progress on improving the power consumption of the G5 for a portable computer like the PowerBook. Plus there was the public lack of progress with heat output and frequency scaling of the G5 on the desktop.
...it's an interesting fact that IBM was Apple's sole supplier of Power-PC chips, on which Apple's hardware architecture was based, and which IBM produces in limited quantities. The Xbox uses several of these IBM Power-PC chips. Now convincing IBM that it would be more profitable to do business with Microsoft than with Apple was not very difficult.
Anyway, just to make it sound like I'm not a blind Apple apologist, let me give Apple a hearty f**k you for their utterly garbage pricing tiers with the M1 and M2 MacBook Air. My advice to folks who (regrettably) have their heart set on a new MacBook is to just get a refurb base model M1/M2 Air and not give Apple a penny more.
Yes, the most effective way to make corporations sit up and take notice is to hit them where it hurts the most - their pockets - by depriving them of revenue. Unfortunately there are not enough of us who are inclined to take such a stance.
I can handle Apple admitting that.
But it'd be interesting to know just what Steve Jobs felt. Because Apple was Steve and if Apple changed it's mind, that means Steve changed his mind first.
And Jobs was never really interested in admitting he got anything wrong, let alone discussing it.
The story I read was one of Apple’s techs was running MacOS on an intel processor as an experiment.
When Steve saw it he was impressed and I believe flew to Japan to talk to Sony about building intel laptops.
Who knows how decisions are made in Apple today. Tim doesn’t strike me as the visionary.