Donald Trump Says Apple Won't Be Granted Tariff Relief on Mac Pro Parts Made in China: 'Make Them in The USA, No Tariffs!'

[Tech198]

I think the people (aka companies) who were going to buy this can afford the tariff premium. ... And no I don't really care for our President's policies.

Non-issue.

The more expensive a product becomes, the less of an issue they would have in "other" areas with it But the only reason could be Aple wants more money for themselves. They reckon this most of it won't be 'Assembled in China" they would have a reason..

However, most components are made are "assembled" in China.

https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503

There is more than just where the Apple is.. and it would think "Since its in the same country, that excludes"

 

[LizKat]

Bottom line leaving the Apple waiver ask out of the picture, Trump's use of tariffs is not to the advantage of most of the people now defending his trade wars as somehow "putting America first".

All they really do is jack up the price of goods made elsewhere, and surprise surprise that means for all that stuff in Walmart that's made in China, the impact is mostly on those in the lowest tier of US income -- where savings rates are lowest, consumption rates highest and the shoppers still buy stuff at Walmart because price-driven consumption does still keep the prices even higher at shops along Main Street.

The impact of tariffs has been figured at about five times as great on low income Americans as on those at the top of income brackets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-america-s-poor-and-working-class-the-hardest

Lower-income consumers tend to spend a lot of their money on low-priced apparel and other items imported from China. On the other hand, Russ says, higher-income people spend a lot on high-end consumer electronics that are also from China. The biggest reason tariffs pinch the poor the most, says Russ, is that the poor have less of a cushion: A higher share of their incomes goes for consumption of all kinds. The rich save a higher share of theirs.

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Most economic studies have found that American consumers bear most of the brunt of the higher tariffs on imports from China because importers pass along all or almost all of the tariffs by raising prices. On May 13, economists at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. cited two recent National Bureau of Economic Research working papers. “First,” Goldman summarized, “the costs of US tariffs have fallen entirely on US businesses and households, with no clear reduction in the prices charged by Chinese exporters. Second, the effects of the tariffs have spilled over noticeably to the prices charged by US producers competing with tariff-affected goods.” That second point is important: When tariffs go up, it gives breathing room to domestic producers to raise their prices to American consumers and make bigger profits. To advocates of higher tariffs, that’s not a bug; it’s a feature.​

So higher tariffs on goods made out of country end up as higher priced goods sold here after the new import duties, but also appear to let domestic producers jack their prices and margins a little "under the wing" of the foreign producers.

And no, those people at the bottom who spend their whole paycheck to stay alive are not going to buy Mac Pro computers with or without a tariff jacking up the price. Tim Cook was still quite correct on business principles to request a waiver for his company, even if getting it or not getting it will not make much difference in the purchase rate of those machines.

What Trump's rejection of that request was, however, is an attempt at political haymaking and/or one of Trump's personal grudge list thingies. It doubtless pleases some of Trump's base but it won't be any better understood by them as policy than are any of Trump's other tariff-related maneuvers. This is sad but just another example of how we need better critical thinking skills in the USA across all income classes.

 

[tharitm]

Great! The Mac Pro will be more expensive now because of this.

 

[cocky jeremy]

Well, to India they go. It's never coming to the US. Get over it.

 

[xbjllb]

How unfair! And he sat next to him and legitimized him and everything. They were FRIENDS.

Who saw this coming? Who?


[doublepost=1564506113][/doublepost]Ridiculous pricing obviously figured in Trümp Tarriffs, LONG in advance.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Cuz it’s Tim Cook... hahahaha. Greed at its finest.
[doublepost=1564275153][/doublepost]It makes me so happy to see that the majority of a website full of Apple fans (myself included) seems to support the actions of a conservative president. America is beginning to see the light!

Tim Apple (Cook) always makes me think of Scrooge McDuck from watching DuckTales when I was a kid. I imagine him swimming around in all of his money just wanting more and more.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Ol bummer was no different with all his lavish family trips paid for by the taxpayers his behind the scenes pay to play will come out.

And yet, to this day, none of Obama's administration were indicted for any crimes. Which way was that 'draining of the swamp' supposed to go?

 

[netdoc66]

Funny!

Realistically, I was just a cynical under Obama. Only difference is under Obama, my taxes went up when he removed Bush’s tax cut, and my health Insurance went from a good plan at the cost of a car payment to a terrible plan with high deductible and many claim rejections at the cost of a mortgage payment. Oh....and I couldn’t keep my doctor.

Under this president I am making for money, my retirement plans are worth a lot more, the threat of Isis is a lot less, my unemployed friends and families are now working making more than they ever have, and hopefully when the house turns red again in this next election, healthcare will be fixed.

I do tend to judge a president on the direct effect he has on my personal and family life, and those around me. Then I look at the actual general effects of the country. The complaints democrats have against him are the same as they have had under every republican president. “Racist, homophobe, xenophobe (3 people I know that call him that don’t even know what that means). Then they say he’s RUINING this country. When asked how? They tell me to look at the border. When I ask why it has been ok for the same to happen for the last 20 years? No answer. I think people just hate to hate.

Your president’s short sighted hate strategy is unsustainable and subject to get innocent people killed in its wake. You have a nice life.
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Ol bummer was no different with all his lavish family trips paid for by the taxpayers his behind the scenes pay to play will come out.

Name calling is a direct indicator of low intelligence. I’m just saying...

 

[DougFNJ]

Your president’s short sighted hate strategy is unsustainable and subject to get innocent people killed in its wake. You have a nice life.
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Live in America? Newsflash.....He's your president too....jus' sayin

Just curious, what exactly is the hate strategy, and how exactly is it going to get people killed? Oh yes, I guess the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, whosawatchamacallitaphobic....blah blah blah I heard the same statements made about Bush, his father, Reagan. We get it, Republicans bad, Democrats good. Trump won, democrat candidates are TERRIBLE, Trump will win again too.

 

[xbjllb]

Live in America? Newsflash.....He's your president too....jus' sayin

Actually, he's Pütin's installed and hacked Kommissar, but why be accurate.

 

[AsherN]

Then however were they able to manufacture the Mac Pro in the United States for the past 5 years?

NO, they didn't. They did final assembly in the US. Huge difference.

 

[LordVic]

Ol bummer was no different with all his lavish family trips paid for by the taxpayers his behind the scenes pay to play will come out.

You Do realize the irony and hypocrisy of your comment right?

Trump has spent more in 3 years on vacations, Trips to his own resorts, and security details than Obama spend in 8 years as president.

The talking point about Obama's travel expenses is dead as soon as the guy calling it out, not only behaving the same way, but cost wise, one of the worst presidents for this of all time.

Don't be a hypocrite. it's an ugly look no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

 

[pweicks]

Actually, he's Pütin's installed and hacked Kommissar, but why be accurate.

Whether you’re saying this as a joke, or actually believe that to be the truth... either way it’s absolutely hilarious.

 

[Chazz08]

Reminds me of that old Roman expression about all the masses need to be happy are “bread and circuses”.

Yep. I watched a great documentary by a Youtuber about the hunger games books and how they pull from history, including Roman, and she quoted that. It's a really good documentary, and scarily, that type of society is the closest to what sociologist/anthropologist say we are headed toward. :/

 

[Southern Dad]

NO, they didn't. They did final assembly in the US. Huge difference.

That final assembly in the USA created American jobs.

 

[AsherN]

That final assembly in the USA created American jobs.

Final assembly is more and more highly automated. If in the US, it raises the price. With the large non-US market, it raises the price even more, because only US bound iPhones would be assembled in the US. Economies of scale don't apply.

 

[cardfan]

Live in America? Newsflash.....He's your president too....jus' sayin

Just curious, what exactly is the hate strategy, and how exactly is it going to get people killed? Oh yes, I guess the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, whosawatchamacallitaphobic....blah blah blah I heard the same statements made about Bush, his father, Reagan. We get it, Republicans bad, Democrats good. Trump won, democrat candidates are TERRIBLE, Trump will win again too.

Gets old doesn’t it? Much the chaos right now is manufactured by the media. The AP articles that get shared by all the local news outlets are sad. And that’s just the tip of it.

 

[venom600]

Just curious, what exactly is the hate strategy, and how exactly is it going to get people killed? Oh yes, I guess the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, whosawatchamacallitaphobic....blah blah blah I heard the same statements made about Bush, his father, Reagan. We get it, Republicans bad, Democrats good. Trump won, democrat candidates are TERRIBLE, Trump will win again too.

... and it was true about them too. Just because Trump has managed to dig the hole deeper than anyone else doesn't mean the fact that all of those statements apply to all of them. Stop playing the victim long enough and you'll see that this isn't about Democrats; it's about the character of the men the GOP has elected over the past forty years. Trump is the cherry on top. If I belonged to an organization that had leadership that consistently and provably could be described with those words, I'd reevaluate my membership.

 

[Act3]

Great! The Mac Pro will be more expensive now because of this.

yes, cause people will still buy them regardless the cost

 

[DougFNJ]

Actually, he's Pütin's installed and hacked Kommissar, but why be accurate.

And Obama was the Manchurian candidate, what's your point?

NO, they didn't. They did final assembly in the US. Huge difference.

Did it not create jobs? Again, a marketing miss by Apple, Designed in California, Assembled in USA.

Gets old doesn’t it? Much the chaos right now is manufactured by the media. The AP articles that get shared by all the local news outlets are sad. And that’s just the tip of it.

And now apparently the 2 shootings are Trump's fault. This was precisely how democrats lost the last time, and why they will lose again.

... and it was true about them too. Just because Trump has managed to dig the hole deeper than anyone else doesn't mean the fact that all of those statements apply to all of them. Stop playing the victim long enough and you'll see that this isn't about Democrats; it's about the character of the men the GOP has elected over the past forty years. Trump is the cherry on top. If I belonged to an organization that had leadership that consistently and provably could be described with those words, I'd reevaluate my membership.

What victim am I playing? I'm not one of those presidents. I'm just pointing out the silliness of one sided, single thought minded statements. I'm not even a Republican, you just assume I am, get over yourself. Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are racists. Why were they allowed open doors into the White House under any President?

I'm going to quote Greg Gutfeld as I think it may had been the best description:

• "He's about to execute a white supremacist.
• He's trying to free a black rapper from a foreign jail.
• He's presided over historic levels of low unemployment among minorities.
• He's pushing prison reform that directly benefits families of black men.
• He calls out absent leaders of a city where minorities are the main victims of crime and blight.

Wow! Trump sucks as a bigot!"

My favorite was when they called Trump a racist because he described actual conditions in Baltimore and called Elijah Cummings out. Isn't it a coincidence that Elijah Cummings has been in office for 22 years, makes $174K per year, that's $3.8 Million and somehow is worth $12 Million while his constituents live in rat infested poverty. Real character there right Venom? Bunch of hypocrites, and you sadly fall for it and defend this insanity.

 

[venom600]

What victim am I playing? I'm not one of those presidents. I'm just pointing out the silliness of one sided, single thought minded statements. I'm not even a Republican, you just assume I am, get over yourself. Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are racists. Why were they allowed open doors into the White House under any President?

I'm going to quote Greg Gutfeld as I think it may had been the best description:

• "He's about to execute a white supremacist.
• He's trying to free a black rapper from a foreign jail.
• He's presided over historic levels of low unemployment among minorities.
• He's pushing prison reform that directly benefits families of black men.
• He calls out absent leaders of a city where minorities are the main victims of crime and blight.

Wow! Trump sucks as a bigot!"

"We get it, republicans bad, democrats good" is playing the victim. As though all of this negativity pointed at the GOP and Trump isn't well earned. You'll also note that nowhere did I make the assumption that you are a republican. I'm not a democrat either.

Oh, and show me all of the instances of Obama having Sharpton and Farrakhan at the White House as guests. I'll wait.

As for the list you posted, if we grant, for the sake of argument, that every point you made points to a man who isn't a bigot (and they don't), I've got a much, much longer list of instances that prove he is one.

• First time he was in the news it was because he was sued by the DOJ for violating the fair housing act because of refusal to rental based on race and color.
• He ordered all black employees off the floor of his casinos during his visits
• He claimed laziness is a trait in blacks
• He requested Jews in yarmulkes replace his black accountants
• Suggested that a native american tribe didn't look like "Indians"
• Mocked Japanese and Chinese trade negotiators with impersonations of them in broken English
• Implied that where was a Jewish conspiracy to control politicians

That's a short accounting of the many, many instances that anyone can point to to prove his bigotry, and all of them from before he even took office. I'll happily provide references if you'd like.

 

[DougFNJ]

"We get it, republicans bad, democrats good" is playing the victim. As though all of this negativity pointed at the GOP and Trump isn't well earned. You'll also note that nowhere did I make the assumption that you are a republican. I'm not a democrat either.

Oh, and show me all of the instances of Obama having Sharpton and Farrakhan at the White House as guests. I'll wait.

As for the list you posted, if we grant, for the sake of argument, that every point you made points to a man who isn't a bigot (and they don't), I've got a much, much longer list of instances that prove he is one.

• First time he was in the news it was because he was sued by the DOJ for violating the fair housing act because of refusal to rental based on race and color.
• He ordered all black employees off the floor of his casinos during his visits
• He claimed laziness is a trait in blacks
• He requested Jews in yarmulkes replace his black accountants
• Suggested that a native american tribe didn't look like "Indians"
• Mocked Japanese and Chinese trade negotiators with impersonations of them in broken English
• Implied that where was a Jewish conspiracy to control politicians

That's a short accounting of the many, many instances that anyone can point to to prove his bigotry, and all of them from before he even took office. I'll happily provide references if you'd like.

Venom, I respect your opinion. Like I said earlier, I felt the same way about Obama throughout his administration, I didn't like him, and I didn't like what he did. It's really ok to express these opinions, neither of ours are right or wrong, they just are, and it's just throwing information back and forth, we walk away its all good.

I'll give you that, you didn't point the finger at me....its a general opinion. You could label the GOP corrupt, but you also might want to point the finger to the left side too, they are ALL corrupt. I notice you glazed over my Elijah Cummings comment.....

While your looking things up....do a quick Google Search on the history of the Democratic Party and its extremely racist foundations. Also take a look at the party that made the strides to change the bigotry in the country. Both parties have since completely lost their way, and the 2 party system is so far beyond repair...we need more 3rd party candidates that don't get intentionally buried.

Simple search shows, Sharpton was on the Visitor Guest list at least 80 times that were noted. Farrakhan one time too many.

The 1973 case was an accusation, you could sue anybody, anytime, for any reason, doesn't mean the accusation is correct, just says you got sued.

The rest of your statements were all hearsay conveniently never brought up for years until recently....shocker! You would think they might had brought it up at the time and made a big issue of it at some point over the last 40 years....very convenient to manufacture the outrage now.....it gets a little silly now. Candidates blaming Trump for 2 mass shootings, everyone conveniently overlooking the mass shootings and bloodiest weekend in history in Chicago. Representative Castro releasing names and addresses of Trump supporters in El Paso, Groups going to Mitch McConell's house threatening violence. Remember people getting in the faces of republicans at restaurants, they couldn't go out? Remember inauguration day when they rioted in the streets hurting small businesses? People need to start respecting boundaries.

 

[1146331]

Venom, I respect your opinion. Like I said earlier, I felt the same way about Obama throughout his administration, I didn't like him, and I didn't like what he did. It's really ok to express these opinions, neither of ours are right or wrong, they just are, and it's just throwing information back and forth, we walk away its all good.

I'll give you that, you didn't point the finger at me....its a general opinion. You could label the GOP corrupt, but you also might want to point the finger to the left side too, they are ALL corrupt. I notice you glazed over my Elijah Cummings comment.....

While your looking things up....do a quick Google Search on the history of the Democratic Party and its extremely racist foundations. Also take a look at the party that made the strides to change the bigotry in the country. Both parties have since completely lost their way, and the 2 party system is so far beyond repair...we need more 3rd party candidates that don't get intentionally buried.

Simple search shows, Sharpton was on the Visitor Guest list at least 80 times that were noted. Farrakhan one time too many.

The 1973 case was an accusation, you could sue anybody, anytime, for any reason, doesn't mean the accusation is correct, just says you got sued.

The rest of your statements were all hearsay conveniently never brought up for years until recently....shocker! You would think they might had brought it up at the time and made a big issue of it at some point over the last 40 years....very convenient to manufacture the outrage now.....it gets a little silly now. Candidates blaming Trump for 2 mass shootings, everyone conveniently overlooking the mass shootings and bloodiest weekend in history in Chicago. Representative Castro releasing names and addresses of Trump supporters in El Paso, Groups going to Mitch McConell's house threatening violence. Remember people getting in the faces of republicans at restaurants, they couldn't go out? Remember inauguration day when they rioted in the streets hurting small businesses? People need to start respecting boundaries.

I decided to revive this thread, you certainly are right! Which is why Venom didn't comment further.

 

[venom600]

I decided to revive this thread, you certainly are right! Which is why Venom didn't comment further.

I didn't comment further because I didn't even notice a response until now. No amount of facts or evidence I provide is going to be enough for you, so at this point, I don't see the benefit of continuing this discussion.

 

[1146331]

I didn't comment further because I didn't even notice a response until now. No amount of facts or evidence I provide is going to be enough for you, so at this point, I don't see the benefit of continuing this discussion.

You provided no facts or evidence, just emotions.

But we are not going to change each others minds regardless, are we?