I'm underestimating - UK government alone can account for at least quarter of a million, add UK universities, scientific institutions, technology companies etc and you have a few million just in the UK.
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EU Mobile Operators Want Apple's iCloud Private Relay Service to Be Outlawed Over Concerns of 'Digital Sovereignty'
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I'm underestimating - UK government alone can account for at least quarter of a million, add UK universities, scientific institutions, technology companies etc and you have a few million just in the UK.
There are 1 billion iPhones sold. That doesn't mean that they're all in use
Especially in this case, this feature precludes anything older than a 6S regardless of the fact that its not out of beta channel, so has less than a few hundred thousand users. Then you have to account for the number of users who never update their devices (ie anyone with the no technical affinity). 844 million, do jog on mate.
Exactly. I think the real issue is how much control/access ISPs (mobile carriers included, if not "especially") currently have and how few real options people are given in certain areas.
I don’t use because I use Firefox. It also only protects Safari and none of the apps on the phone. I use us a VPN, this way all of my internet traffic is protected, not just Safari.
It is not just safari. All DNS requests go out over it, so it can mess with an internal only DNS and prevent connection to machines on your own network that you access via their internal domain names. e.g I use prompt which is an ssh app. I have to connect via ip rather than something like myserver.mynetwork which would work without private relay enabled.
What the hell Europe, outlawing a privacy product for national security reasons is something I’d expect from the United States, not you guys.
And now, in the US:
T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in the US [U] - 9to5Mac
Earlier today, a report indicated that some European carriers were blocking the Private Relay feature introduced by Apple with iOS...
9to5mac.com
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You are absolutely right saying "digital sovereignty" is not a completely clear concept. The telcos seem to stretch it in a very surprising way.
The official and original idea behind digital sovereignty in the EU is to support individual's control and self-determinism over their own data. The opposing forces — as they are usually seen — are governments and companies. The EU approach has been seen as the "third road" between US's surveillance capitalism and China's tight control. (Probably because we missed the train with the first one and don't really want to take the second one.)
In practice, there are several forces pointing to the same direction:
- commercially motivated opposition against MAANA (Meta, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, Alphabet)
- fear of espionage from outside of the EU (I may not need to name the suspects)
- true privacy ideology
- putting citizens in control of their data because citizens like the idea
Different EU countries and different political powers have different concerns and reasons to support digital sovereignty. Some European countries are very concerned about privacy for historical reasons. The very long shadows of the WWII are still there. Some European countries have a relatively flexible interpretation on what is personal data.
Despite these differences in interpretation, the "official Europe", i.e. the European Commission, has usually had a strict view on privacy. If the ideas of digital sovereignty and net neutrality are combined, the telcos' chances of banning Apple's private relay resemble those of the proverbial infernal sphere of compacted icy precipitate.
The EU will, naturally, try and find any good reason to make Apple's life more difficult, but privacy aspects make it very unlikely in this case. (Personally, I find it almost surprising the telcos want to take the risk of drawing attention to their actions. This may trigger some unwanted questions about what they really do.)
Yeah, that’s what I expect from this side of the AtlanticAnd now, in the US:
T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in the US [U] - 9to5Mac
Earlier today, a report indicated that some European carriers were blocking the Private Relay feature introduced by Apple with iOS...
Not very surprising, is it? It seems that T-Mobile is very active on both sides of the pond blocking some traffic.And now, in the US:
T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in the US [U] - 9to5Mac
Earlier today, a report indicated that some European carriers were blocking the Private Relay feature introduced by Apple with iOS...
But is there any operator actually blocking Private Relay in the EU? If there is, then things may get very interesting. I am not a specialist on EU legislation, but that would seem to be in direct conflict with the net neutrality regulation.
Yeah that figures. This kind of stuff should be illegal. People are paying Apple for this service and T-Mobile is blocking it. Sounds like a lawsuit to me.And now, in the US:
T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in the US [U] - 9to5Mac
Earlier today, a report indicated that some European carriers were blocking the Private Relay feature introduced by Apple with iOS...
Edit: Shouldn’t surprise me I guess coming from a company that does stuff like this:
Binge On - Stream Unlimited Video without Using Your Data - T-Mobile
Unlimited video streaming with Binge On. Stream all the video you want from your favorite services like Netflix, Amazon, HBO, and more without using your data. All included on your Simple Choice Plan.
www.t-mobile.com
Network data is just data and it shouldn’t matter which service you are watching. But T-Mobile is giving preference to certain services.
844 million is how many people are currently using safari, I'm counting desktop too, because it also supports iCloud relay. More than half of those users are already on iOS 15, and more than 90% on iOS 15 (both of those articles are old, those number have gone up and will continue to go up). There is a reason Google pay $9 billion a year to the default browser on iOS. If private relay is turned on by default, then there will be way more private relay users, than VPN users.There are 1 billion iPhones sold. That doesn't mean that they're all in use
I've linked the sources.
They don't suck because they didn't do anything, by posting this crap you imply they did, period.
As soon as someone says blockchain it means they don't understand much about tech at all. It's the magical buzzword for Johnny Mnemonic stans.
Apple’s own explanation here ?
About iCloud Private Relay - Apple Support
iCloud Private Relay — part of an iCloud+ subscription — helps protect your privacy when you browse the web in Safari.
I thought it was just flavored pods in general. Not just from a specific company.
I guess that means a bunch of us both in Europe and the US will just use VPN's or turn cellular data off. And maybe Apple will make a web front end to their system.And now, in the US:
T-Mobile begins blocking iPhone users from enabling iCloud Private Relay in the US [U] - 9to5Mac
Earlier today, a report indicated that some European carriers were blocking the Private Relay feature introduced by Apple with iOS...
There's no reason Apple can't provide servers within the EU for relaying EU customer traffic.
Well, I guess the more of your data & behavioural patterns they collect, the better [for data harvesters]. For example, I do not have a Facebook app installed on my iPhone, but sometimes need to visit it from Safari.