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EU Provisionally Agrees on Law That Would Force Apple to Allow Alternative App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability
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Terminology needs to be exact here - they already allow 3rd party apps to use iCloud Drive.
Applications not distributed on the App Store can still use iCloud Drive.
Side note: forcing Apple to have 3rd party app stores does NOT level any playing field. Apple invented their device and App Store, purely their intellectual property. Did you all notice the weird numbers in the draft? It’s because they did carve outs for European businesses that might have been affected by the law. That’s not a fair market. At a certain point, they’ll stop providing services to Europe if pushed to far.
Yes, I’m talking about 3rd party apps distributed on 3rd party stores. No way those will be allowed to use iCloud for anything at all
I'm saying that there already exists a method of distribution outside the App Store which can already use iCloud for syncing.
Sure. A toggle. Not a default or only option. That way users have a choice.
I have no problem with side loading, IIRC enterprise users already have the capability. Back in the jailbreaking heyday there were apps that added features, many of which are now baked in to the OS. It also was pretty easy to pirate software, something that opening up side loading may become more prevalent in iOS; especially since side loading would now be available to the casual user.
I think a toggle is the most realistic option (one I would be in favour of). This would be the same approach that macOS has.
Customer experience? Actually you’re right, that’s not too high on Apple’s list of priorities anymore.
Right now I buy into Apples’s ecosystem (walled garden) by choice for the privacy, ease and great functionality. But governments are going to make all that illegal and your saying it’s to give me more choices? Bull ***** *****!
Sideloading today is possible via a Mac and the I thought the app was live for certain time period. That scenario is not the same as having multiple unregulated app stores, where malware or crapware can hide and apple cannot stop it.
Governments around the world want to know everything about you and track you everywhere you go, this is the excuse they use to achieve that exact goal. Zero personal privacy, good times up ahead… 🤢
No you simply don’t know how eu works.
Eu parliament= democratically elected proportionally.
President of EU commission= elected by parliament.
Commission body employed by the president= Unanimous approval in parliament is needed.
Eu council= Democratically elected heads of state of every member
Council of Eu= democratically elected MP of every member state
That doesn’t sound like what is being described in this proposed law. Can you please provide an example, from the text of this proposed law, as to how Apple can continue it’s business as is: for those of us who want to choose that?
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Nobody is forcing them, they are free to leave. Just as USA force eu companies to follow local state laws.
Nope, you don’t get a say as “you” don’t have a right to vote
Sand to hear, every 5 years we get to vote for whatever party we want without fear of spoiling the vote or ability to vote tactically. And have major coalition where different parties actually communicate and agree to work together instead of gridlocking as the USA.
Well we are in luck.
Telecom companies are already forced to provide better services. Provider locked phones are banned, and you can switch carrier just as easy as buying a drink at the store, transparent pricing that banns hidden fees and roaming is banned and texting and calling is have the same price as your domestic market etc etc
No, not at all, they can’t charge you for excessive data usage. Data is treated as your domestic plan. If you run out you need to purchase more or change your data plan.
You can get a German number living in Portugal, but you oftentimes need a German personal number to register for the service unless you purchase a prepaid German card And just fills it up.
But if you already have a German Vodaphone number you can use it anywhere in EU as normal and keep your German number
Wait until the EU realizes that the big winner of forcing iMessage and WhatsApp to interoperate with others isn't some European startup, but Google...
What's hilarious about this bill is that the goal, which is to try and hurt American companies in the hopes of allowing European companies to compete, won't even work.
Alternative App Store winners: Microsoft, Meta, Amazon
Messaging Interoperability winners: Google
Search engine alternatives winners: Microsoft
DMA will just make everything crappier and shift power from some Big Tech companies to others. I guess instead of being pushed around by Apple, Spotify can be pushed around by Meta and Microsoft. Is that a "win"?
What's hilarious about this bill is that the goal, which is to try and hurt American companies in the hopes of allowing European companies to compete, won't even work.
Alternative App Store winners: Microsoft, Meta, Amazon
Messaging Interoperability winners: Google
Search engine alternatives winners: Microsoft
DMA will just make everything crappier and shift power from some Big Tech companies to others. I guess instead of being pushed around by Apple, Spotify can be pushed around by Meta and Microsoft. Is that a "win"?
Yeah yeah, I know, the Illuminati are the people that really control the EU.
But in seriousness, yeah, I get it that the rich and powerful basically control the world, regardless of democracy, due to owning most of the media, and thus the ability to control the messaging that most people are bombarded with. However, when they go too far, or if something annoys enough people, democracy works.
They are already free to do so. Porsche is just banned from preventing Honda from supporting their engines or cars.
Ah I se xD. Well safe harbor was thrown out of court a few years ago, and last year the privacy shield was also thrown out of court for the same reason, and EU and USA just agreed to a new data sharing plan, and Austria have said they will challenge this new proposal immediately in the Supreme Court on the basis of consumer privacy again ?Yes, I was trying to prompt you to go on
and soon the DSA is proposing platforms TOS can’t ban legal speech and must have clear guidelines of what is allowed and not instead of being vague like today
It’s specifically to protect user privacy and liberty. It’s aimed at limiting governments explicitly USA. Minimum standard are just that. The baseline
Well you would be surprised
Small secret, it has nothing do do with that. It’s all about the market. Interoperability makes competition much easier. Today I’m forced to have WhatsApp if I want to text another WhatsApp user who don’t use iMessage. I’m forced to use Facebook messenger for those who use it instead of iMessage.
But if iMessage and WhatsApp/messenger must be able to use basic functions such as receiving messages, then that allows me and everyone to use their platform of choice based on its functions instead of its market share and shady data harvesting practices.
Reality: consumers are the winners. And nobody will still use Bing if Microsoft payed people.
I recommend you actually read the proposal. It’s made to remove the big tech companies stranglehold of users and the market and allow more freedom for the user. Why do you think google holds the record for biggest fines today of over 10 billion euro? And Meta threatening to leave because they can’t abuse user privacy?
I just love people who believe there are actual democracies in the world. 💙💙💙
USA is just a crappy democracy. That the difference. Ranked last in the first world.
Your government have just fooled you to believe voting between two parties is democratic.
Proportional representation and parliamentary democracies are like night and day. Tactical voting is impossible, spoiler effect doesn’t exist and gerrymandering is illegal/abolished
Or you could use SMS and reach anyone. The open standard already exists. If you choose to use a proprietary option in its place, that’s on you.
SMS doesn’t have E2E encryption.
And still if I use sms I end up with the same problem. I can’t send sms to WhatsApp, Viber, signal, telegram, messenger etc. I am forced to use these apps.
My Jobb group last year decided to use WhatsApp as a group chat, forcing be to use it as I’m unable to communicate or be communicate with unless I submit and install the app.
A good solution would be if they all must support RCS as a fallback protocol to make it easy to message between users. Or use a different modern standard
You just don’t get it. Sure you vote for a representative, but that’s not democracy. Money, fear and ignorance buy power. I absolutely agree your system is way better than the USA, but in reality the EU is just running about 10 years behind the US as far as corruption goes.