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The European Commission is set to release a draft law this week that could require tech companies like Apple and Google to identify, remove and report to law enforcement illegal images of child abuse on their platforms, claims a new report out today.

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According to a leak of the proposal obtained by Politico, the EC believes voluntary measures taken by some digital companies have thus far "proven insufficient" in addressing the increasing misuse of online services for the purposes of sharing child sexual abuse content, which is why the commission wants to make detection of such material mandatory.

After months of lobbying, groups representing tech companies and children's rights organizations are said to be waiting to see how stringent the rules could be, and how they will work without tech companies having to scan the gamut of user content – a practice deemed illegal by the Court of Justice of the European Union in 2016.

Apart from how identification of illegal material would operate within the law, privacy groups and tech companies are worried that the EU executive could result in the creation of backdoors to end-to-end encrypted messaging services, the contents of which cannot be accessed by the hosting platform.

The EC's Home Affairs Commissioner Ylva Johansson has said technical solutions exist to keep conversations safe while finding illegal content, but cybersecurity experts disagree.
"The EU shouldn't be proposing things that are technologically impossible," said Ella Jakubowska, speaking to Politico. Jakubowska is policy adviser at European Digital Rights (EDRi), a network of 45 non-governmental organizations (NGOs.)

"The idea that all the hundreds of millions of people in the EU would have their intimate private communications, where they have a reasonable expectation that that is private, to instead be kind of indiscriminately and generally scanned 24/7 is unprecedented," said Jakubowska.
MEPs are far from aligned on the issue, however. Reacting to the leak of the proposal, centrist Renew Europe MEP Moritz Körner told Politico the Commission's proposal would mean "the privacy of digital correspondence would be dead."

The heated debate mirrors last year's controversy surrounding Apple's plan to search for CSAM (child sexual abuse material) on iPhones and iPads.

Apple in August 2021 announced a planned suite of new child safety features, including scanning users' iCloud Photos libraries for CSAM and Communication Safety to warn children and their parents when receiving or sending sexually explicit photos. The latter, and arguably less controversial, feature is already live on Apple's iMessage platform. Apple's method of scanning for CSAM has yet to have been deployed.

Following Apple's announcement, the features were criticized by a wide range of individuals and organizations, including security researchers, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), Facebook's former security chief, politicians, policy groups, university researchers, and even some Apple employees.

The majority of criticism was leveled at Apple's planned on-device CSAM detection, which was lambasted by researchers for relying on dangerous technology that bordered on surveillance, and derided for being ineffective at identifying images of child sexual abuse.

Apple initially attempted to dispel some misunderstandings and reassure users by releasing detailed information and sharing interviews with company executives in order to allay concerns. However, despite Apple's efforts, the controversy didn't go away, and Apple decided to delay the rollout of CSAM following the torrent of criticism.

Apple said its decision to delay was "based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers and others... we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features."

In December 2021, Apple quietly nixed all mentions of CSAM from its Child Safety webpage, suggesting its controversial plan to detect child sexual abuse images on iPhones and iPads hanged in the balance following significant criticism of its methods.

However, Apple says its plans for CSAM detection have not changed since September, which suggests CSAM detection in some form is still coming in the future.

Article Link: European Commission to Release Draft Law Enforcing Mandatory Detection of Child Sexual Abuse Material on Digital Platforms
 
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Abazigal

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I previously opined that Apple’s implementation was them trying to have their cake and eat it too - find a way to detect illegal material one’s device without human intervention and thus preserving one’s privacy.

I continue to stand by this statement, and I believe that if Apple were ever to roll out said feature, it would be the least invasive means of scanning for CSAM compared to what the other companies are doing.

We also know now why Apple was exploring such a feature in the first place. Totally makes sense now.
 

rme

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and at the same time another entity in the EU demands end-to-end encryption. Hilarious.

It starts with child porn and ends with having an opinion. Scary future
Europe is once again heading towards a very very dark place. Was always obvious that ever more centralisation of power and ever bigger empire was going to lead to misery.
 

rme

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Also not a fan. EU is doing too much As. Per usual. The EU doesnt know how to leave people alone. The its for a good cause is a terrible argument. Do the people of the EU get to vote for the representation in the EU?
They can, but these people couldn't care less about the wellbeing of the people they're supposed to represent.
90%+ of them voted for immediate sanctions on Russia that would cause "mass unemployment, poverty, people who can’t heat their homes, people who run out of petrol" (words Germany's economy minister)
 

fivenotrump

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Also not a fan. EU is doing too much As. Per usual. The EU doesnt know how to leave people alone. The its for a good cause is a terrible argument. Do the people of the EU get to vote for the representation in the EU?
Yes. No, they don't -- the 'parliament' is a sham. Happy we left, although the UK government is just as bad as EU in wanting 'back doors'.
 

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Do the people of the EU get to vote for the representation in the EU?
Only to a certain extent: we do not get to vote on the (more powerful) EU commission, but we do get to vote for the EU parliament. However, even that is not in a "one man, one vote" fashion, but with a factor designed to limit the influence of larger countries. Basically, the EU sits in a weird spot somewhere between federation of countries and federal state.

To make it worse: Ursula von der Leyen, who is currently head of the EU commission, already tried to impose questionable measures against CP material in Germany. It was unsuccessful, but apparently mass surveillance and censorship are back on the menu.
 

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The problem with tech companies is that they were warned by the EC (European Commission) many years ago that were to improve their systems to prevent their online system(s) from being misued for the purposes of sharing child sexual abuse content. Basically it was the EC's way of say 'voluntarity come up with a way to prevent child sexual abuse content from appearing on your systems otherwise we will be forced to do it for you'.

Now a few years after that warning, the tech companies have not done enough to prevent child sexual abuse content from appearing on their systems and the EC are now taking further action. The tech companies have only got themselves to blame. They was warned to come up with solutions to prevent child sexual abuse content from appearing on their systems and they have not done so, they have dragged their feet, not done enough so the EU has now decided to step in and do it for them.

Do not blame the EC for this, this is clearly the fault of the tech companies for not doing enough. The EC warned them there was a problem with child sexual abuse content appearing on their systems and they needed to do something about it. They have not done so.
 

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and at the same time another entity in the EU demands end-to-end encryption. Hilarious.

It starts with child porn and ends with having an opinion. Scary future
Careful with having an opinion around here. MR don’t love that; you may get a temporary ban for such. Live in the EU and hate the EU. Centralised power corrupts. If child porn was the issue we’d know Maxwell’s client list and the court case transcript would be made public. Alas, child porn only matters when the perps are not wealthy and powerful.
 

wanha

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They can, but these people couldn't care less about the wellbeing of the people they're supposed to represent.
90%+ of them voted for immediate sanctions on Russia that would cause "mass unemployment, poverty, people who can’t heat their homes, people who run out of petrol" (words Germany's economy minister)
Whoa man.

I hope you never find yourself in a position of desperate need and despair and those that could help refuse to help you because it might cost them something.
 

wanha

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The EU sure seems to love its Pyrrhic victories when it comes to tech regulations...
 
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As usual whenever a “scare” like this pops up, keep in mind that the national governments are deeply enrolled in this process. Nothing gets passed without their involvement and consent. Also keep in mind the EU’s unprecedentedly strong data privacy and protection laws. Many concerns are overblown and people are all too quick to point the finger at the “EU” without taking a hard look at the actual situation. If you oppose aspects of this measure, lobby not only your MEP but national governments as well.
 

rme

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Whoa man.

I hope you never find yourself in a position of desperate need and despair and those that could help refuse to help you because it might cost them something.
It was just virtue signalling. With a terrible price for the people they're supposed to represent.
Here's what Janet Yellen said :
"She said an immediate ban by the EU would “clearly raise global oil prices” and “would have a damaging impact on Europe and other parts of the world”. Yellen added that “counter-intuitively”, a total embargo may not have such a negative impact on Moscow’s finances, with Russia benefiting from higher prices."
 

JosephAW

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The decision has been made by leaders years ago and has already been implemented on the cloud services and soon on devices and companies are forced to sign a NDA so they can’t tell us.

What no one is talking about is the environmental impact of billions of phones spending extra processing cycles generating hash files and transmitting them to servers.
 

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Many posting above assume that Apple's local CSAM-detecting spying software is a response to pressure from governments like the US and EU. Perhaps. However, it is likely that Apple's system has given encouragement to governments that want 24/7 surveillance on our private lives. I can just picture authoritarian legislators now: 'See? Apple has a system that guarantees privacy [sic], so we can move ahead with this requirement for surveillance'.

Criminal investigations should begin with detection of crime. Global surveillance should not be used for the prevention of crime. The cost to liberty is too high.
 

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As usual, any criminal that they ostensibly want to catch will find alternative methods. Only the less sophisticated or careless criminal will be caught by these measures. I suspect the governments know that and it’s a feint for their real goal: access to peoples information whenever they want it for whatever purpose they deem reasonable. Join this in with the call for crypto as a nation’s currency (which isn’t as private as people think) and the government controls a lot of your life and existence.

People will adapt eventually and find yet more ways to conduct their business privately.
 

rme

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As usual, any criminal that they ostensibly want to catch will find alternative methods. Only the less sophisticated or careless criminal will be caught by these measures. I suspect the governments know that and it’s a feint for their real goal: access to peoples information whenever they want it for whatever purpose they deem reasonable. Join this in with the call for crypto as a nation’s currency (which isn’t as private as people think) and the government controls a lot of your life and existence.

People will adapt eventually and find yet more ways to conduct their business privately.
Crime is just an excuse.
 

2ilent8cho

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I guess you didn't vote for an MEP, then?

Most of the UK never voted for one, we both know voter turn out for those was always very very low. Maybe some cringe interpretive dance would have helped get more people voting? EU is a joke.

 

VulchR

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...EU is a joke.
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As opposed to the UK parliament and its floating duck islands paid for by tax payers?

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Anyway, no doubt the Conservatives in the UK, having already introduced the Snooper's Charter, and now freed from constraints imposed by the European Court of Justice, will do even worse than the EU.

EDIT: added picture of the actual duck island for the LOL's.
 
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