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za9ra22

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You sound like someone who is very inexperienced with computers. I've used both MacOS and Windows extensively. Have you?
Not that it matters, but I bought my first computer in 1978, learnt programming on it, created business software suites, went into user support, have been an IT manager for 40 years, and a specialist InfoSec researcher. I don't limit myself to Windows and/or macOS, and outside the scope of my server farms, have never needed or wanted power supplies capable of heating a house.

Thanks for asking.
 

mpetrides

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Mac Studio with Apple Studio Display is a wonderful choice--fantastic display and a Mac that can be configured with the storage and memory you need. Advantage to MacStudio over Mac mini is, among other things, thermals since AFIK the mini doesn't have a fan.
 

leifp

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I own a late 2013 iMac which I love but it’s way past being useful. It has 3 TB of storage, 64 GB of memory and a 3.5 Quad core Intel Core processor. Was VERY fast.

I MUST have at least this much storage, memory and speed in a new Mac. I don’t like using the cloud or attaching storage devices for my files.

What should I buy? 2 options please. 🙏

This is my 5th and last Mac. 👵🏻
Thank you 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

Thank you. Thank you

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May I ask for more specifics? Your mentioned requirements, excepting the 3TB storage, are highly variable and regardless of which 2013 iMac you have, none are anywhere near as powerful as a base 2019 5K iMac, nor handle RAM as well as Apple Silicon. An M2Pro (or wait about a month in my completely outsider opinion for M3 series Mac minis) will decimate anything non-VM/Windows you care to do on your machine as compared to your 2013 machine. What do you require 64GB RAM for, or is it just “I’ve had it, it’s good enough, that’s what I’m getting in my next machine Full Stop”? (Aside: any pre 2015 iMac could not make use of 64GB RAM so even if it’s installed in there it’s not available to the OS/programs)

Edit: Or I just address your question as asked.

Option 1: Mac Studio M2 Max, 4TB SSD, 64GB RAM
Option 2: Mac Studio M2 Ultra, 4TB SSD, 64GB RAM

Both are long in the tooth but there are no indications of replacement units on the horizon as yet
 

picpicmac

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In fact, I just put together a rig that runs off of TWO 1600watt power supplies 😅
Please read my signature.

You are atypical.

And it just so happens that training AI requires powerful, incredibly power-hungry PCs.
Fifty years ago that would have been written differently. Back then the claim would have been (and was) that AI required building-filling mainframes. Movies were made using that presumption.

Even HAL filled up many bays with electronics.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl

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Mac Studio with Apple Studio Display is a wonderful choice--fantastic display and a Mac that can be configured with the storage and memory you need. Advantage to MacStudio over Mac mini is, among other things, thermals since AFIK the mini doesn't have a fan.

Mac Mini cannot be configured with OP's desired level of RAM... even Mac Mini Pro caps out as 32GB. So it's automatically OUT by OPs preferences.

Mac Studio, MBpro or Mac Pro are the only options to get 64GB RAM and 4GB SSD inside, as OP desires. And WOW! check those Apple Premium prices for OPs specs. Shareholders rejoice! 💰💰💰
 
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Suzzzabelle

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May I ask for more specifics? Your mentioned requirements, excepting the 3TB storage, are highly variable and regardless of which 2013 iMac you have, none are anywhere near as powerful as a base 2019 5K iMac, nor handle RAM as well as Apple Silicon. An M2Pro (or wait about a month in my completely outsider opinion for M3 series Mac minis) will decimate anything non-VM/Windows you care to do on your machine as compared to your 2013 machine. What do you require 64GB RAM for, or is it just “I’ve had it, it’s good enough, that’s what I’m getting in my next machine Full Stop”? (Aside: any pre 2015 iMac could not make use of 64GB RAM so even if it’s installed in there it’s not available to the OS/programs)

Edit: Or I just address your question as asked.

Option 1: Mac Studio M2 Max, 4TB SSD, 64GB RAM
Option 2: Mac Studio M2 Ultra, 4TB SSD, 64GB RAM

Both are long in the tooth but there are no indications of replacement units on the horizon as yet

Thank you so much. This is helpful. I know I cannot compare a 2013 iMac to the newer technology. Its like comparing Apples to Oranges. I just want something that is as fast (or faster is good) and has as much storage as I can get.
 
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Suzzzabelle

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The only desktop Macs left for which you can order 64GB of RAM are the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. The latter is big and very expensive.

You can get a Mac Studio on the Refurb store, with 64GB of RAM, for $3149 in the 4TB SSD model, if you want the older M1 Max processor processor. M2 Max version is newer but very rarely shows up on the Refurb store. A new M2 Max Mac Studio w/ 64GB RAM is only $2179 on the discount store but it only comes with a 512GB SSD and it costs (discount store) $3239 if you want the internal 4TB SSD.

The Mini w/ 32GB RAM is much less expensive, if you can live with less memory.

Many of us expect the Studio and Mini to be moved onto the M3 realm Real Soon Now.
Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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Mac Mini cannot be configured with OP's desired level of RAM... even Mac Mini Pro caps out as 32GB. So it's automatically OUT by OPs preferences.

Mac Studio, MBpro or Mac Pro are the only options to get 64GB RAM and 4GB SSD inside, as OP desires. And WOW! check those Apple Premium prices for OPs specs. Shareholders rejoice! 💰💰💰
Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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The only desktop Macs left for which you can order 64GB of RAM are the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. The latter is big and very expensive.

You can get a Mac Studio on the Refurb store, with 64GB of RAM, for $3149 in the 4TB SSD model, if you want the older M1 Max processor processor. M2 Max version is newer but very rarely shows up on the Refurb store. A new M2 Max Mac Studio w/ 64GB RAM is only $2179 on the discount store but it only comes with a 512GB SSD and it costs (discount store) $3239 if you want the internal 4TB SSD.

The Mini w/ 32GB RAM is much less expensive, if you can live with less memory.

Many of us expect the Studio and Mini to be moved onto the M3 realm Real Soon Now.
Thank you so much for your input
 
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Suzzzabelle

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Mac Mini cannot be configured with OP's desired level of RAM... even Mac Mini Pro caps out as 32GB. So it's automatically OUT by OPs preferences.

Mac Studio, MBpro or Mac Pro are the only options to get 64GB RAM and 4GB SSD inside, as OP desires. And WOW! check those Apple Premium prices for OPs specs. Shareholders rejoice! 💰💰💰
Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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The only desktop Macs left for which you can order 64GB of RAM are the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. The latter is big and very expensive.

You can get a Mac Studio on the Refurb store, with 64GB of RAM, for $3149 in the 4TB SSD model, if you want the older M1 Max processor processor. M2 Max version is newer but very rarely shows up on the Refurb store. A new M2 Max Mac Studio w/ 64GB RAM is only $2179 on the discount store but it only comes with a 512GB SSD and it costs (discount store) $3239 if you want the internal 4TB SSD.

The Mini w/ 32GB RAM is much less expensive, if you can live with less memory.

Many of us expect the Studio and Mini to be moved onto the M3 realm Real Soon Now.

Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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I feel your pain because I have a 2015. I would opt for a refurb 2019/20 iMac and it can run Sonoma, of course, Apple can't wait to be able to kill updates for it, lol.
You can always get ram for it and put in or take it to a shop for a SSD and still come out spending less money. If you want to have updates for the next 6 years or so then you will have to buy newer.
 

Suzzzabelle

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Ive come to the conclusion I need to get a new Mac to last me my last few year. After that I'm getting a burn phone, telephone book and postage stamps as AI will have infiltrated our lifes. LOL. No I'm serious.
 

Suzzzabelle

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Mac Mini cannot be configured with OP's desired level of RAM... even Mac Mini Pro caps out as 32GB. So it's automatically OUT by OPs preferences.

Mac Studio, MBpro or Mac Pro are the only options to get 64GB RAM and 4GB SSD inside, as OP desires. And WOW! check those Apple Premium prices for OPs specs. Shareholders rejoice! 💰💰💰

Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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The only desktop Macs left for which you can order 64GB of RAM are the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro. The latter is big and very expensive.

You can get a Mac Studio on the Refurb store, with 64GB of RAM, for $3149 in the 4TB SSD model, if you want the older M1 Max processor processor. M2 Max version is newer but very rarely shows up on the Refurb store. A new M2 Max Mac Studio w/ 64GB RAM is only $2179 on the discount store but it only comes with a 512GB SSD and it costs (discount store) $3239 if you want the internal 4TB SSD.

The Mini w/ 32GB RAM is much less expensive, if you can live with less memory.

Many of us expect the Studio and Mini to be moved onto the M3 realm Real Soon Now.

Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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Option1: I own a 27" 2019 iMac. Until such time as Apple releases a new large iMac (and no one knows if they will; though there are rumors they may do that in 2025), the Apple Silicon replacement for the large iMac is the Mac Studio + ASD (Apple Studio Display). If you don't want to shell out too much, you could get a used M1 Studio (or wait for the M3 Studio to be released, which may happen as early as June, and pick up an M2 at discounted prices).

Here's an example from eBay. I'd strongly recommend getting one with AppleCare+, which this one had:

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As for the monitor, I personally wouldn't recommend anything other than a Retina Display (in 27", that's 5k), since that's what I'm used to. However, if you're OK with your 2013's display, which is lower resolution, you could save a lot by getting a 27" 4k (≈$500). Alternately, if you don't mind a matte screen the 5k 27" Samsung might work for you, but it's not much less than the glossy ASD. I prefer glossy for my text work, and that's what the iMac is.

Option 2: You could get a used 27" 2019 or 2020 iMac, both of which come with beautiful glossy 5k Retina displays--though they won't be supported for much longer.

[If Sonoma is the last OS for these, that gives you until ≈Oct 2026 that Apple will send out OS security updates; it's possible they could allow one more OS, which would give you until ≈Oct 2027; of course, since you're using a 2013 machine, you may not mind running the machine beyond that.]

If you do that, I'd recommend getting at least an i9 for the 2019 or an i7 for the 2020. You can easily upgrade the RAM in both. If you get a 2020 you'd need to buy it with a 4 TB SSD, since it's soldered and not upgradeable. The SSD in the 2019 is upgradeable, so you could buy one with, say, 512 GB and upgrade it. That's what I did--I found a 2019 i9 with Apple Care in pristine condition, but its SSD was too small, so I upgraded it with a 2 TB WD SN850. But that requires taking it apart, which I didn't want to do, so I paid my local Apple authorized service center (my university's bookstore) $100 for the labor.

Thank you for your answer. I dont think I can wait until 2025 for the new iMac. My prediction is the day I finally buy something, Apple will launch the new iMac the next week. :-O
 
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Suzzzabelle

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I feel your pain because I have a 2015. I would opt for a refurb 2019/20 iMac and it can run Sonoma, of course, Apple can't wait to be able to kill updates for it, lol.
You can always get ram for it and put in or take it to a shop for a SSD and still come out spending less money. If you want to have updates for the next 6 years or so then you will have to buy newer.
I already have no updates any more for my 2013
 

Suzzzabelle

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Hi, you could buy and Apple Mac studio M2 max, 64gb ram, 4tb ssd and an LG 5k monitor
Then plug in the monitor and away you go. You actually should probably wait a few weeks for the M3 max version, or even in an M3 max mac mini, but either way I would NOT get an intel mac now, of any description, unless you need to run intel only software like windows 10 in parallels ... its simply not worth the trouble anymore. (also, you probably dont need 64gb ram but i suppose it wont hurt!)

This is what my husband keeps telling me to do. Thank you.
 

Suzzzabelle

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You're not going to need as much ram with an M series chip, not even close. I used to need 64 gigs on my Intel machines and can use a "measily" 16GB on an M series just fine with better results than my intel chips.

You can get silver Macs but Apple straight up said they're not going to make 27 inch iMacs. I'd suggest either a beefed up Mac mini (which are way faster than people realize) or a Mac Studio + display of your choosing.

Or if you want to go the laptop route the MacBook Pro's are fantastic and you could hook one to any monitor and then take it on the go.
Yes I know the newer technology is faster. Thank you.
 

Suzzzabelle

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I'm making a massive assumption of your useage here, but just because you needed 64GB RAM in an 11 y/o iMac, doesn't necessarily mean you need the same now in a modern solution. They are not like-for-like comparisons.

A modern Mac Mini with say 16GB RAM will obliterate your antique iMac on every measurable, and you can still kit it out with all the internal storage you need, though the price of doing that will r*pe your wallet at g*npoint down a dark alley. EDIT all you need to buy then is a monitor, can be any size you want. Or even buy two.
Thank you
 

Suzzzabelle

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If you didn't have big storage & RAM needs, I'd point you to many of the same Macs offered above. But since you do, I'll throw out the more radical option: go PC. There's much competition there for upgraded commodity items like RAM & SSD, which drives those costs wayyyyyyyyyy down. There's ZERO competition for those in Mac, so Apple takes full advantage- and then some- as sole, "Company Store" charging 3X-5X market rates for stuff like that.

Not being so resolution finicky, Windows will nicely scale to ANY monitor resolution, so that will also let you off the "5K Retina or bust" train that demands an expensive premium for (minimal competition) 5K monitors. So you can save a LOT of relative cash there too.

PC is about Power vs. PPC. While you won't use the least power possible for select tasks, more power generally means faster computing, so you'll get computing intensive tasks done faster by using more power. Yes, your desktop may run a little hotter, fans may run a little faster, etc... as one should expect when using more power. But the long-term pursuit of computing has always been FASTER computing, not maximum power efficiency. The latter has only popped up among us Apple people as part of the rationale for "why silicon?"... and then Apple wins all such contests when PPC is made out to be a big deal vs. raw power. I notice no difference in the monthly electric bill.

PC will run far more software than Mac. If you have interest in software not available for Mac, you'll likely find it for PC. Much of the Mac stalwarts run on PC too. However, PC also has key Apple apps such as Music, TV, etc, so you can easily move synching of Apple iDevices to PC, managing a big music and/or video collection there, etc.

If there is a few things that only Mac can do, maybe put the heavy lifting stuff (that needs all that RAM & SSD) on a new PC and add perhaps a modestly-equipped Mac Mini or MBair for the Mac apps that have no equivalent.

In embracing Silicon, we lose "bootcamp", which is a tremendous loss for those of us who want Mac but need Windows (too). So when I went Silicon, I added a Mac Mini-like PC too (like this one), which I loaded up with 10TB of FAST SSD and 32GB of RAM (and a good graphics card). The whole thing cost LESS than only the 8TB SSD upgrade at Apple "maximize for shareholders" pricing.

THE COLD HARD NUMBERS PART
Applying OPs hardware target by rounding up to 4TB SSD, Apple's $1200 price for that SSD upgrade alone would buy that entire PC, OP could put in a fast 4TB m.2 drive and the 64GB RAM and still have some money left over for more... plus 2 more SSD slots open for whenever OP would like MORE internal storage. Both parts would be upgradable and/or replaceable at any time in the future should either fail or OP just needs to grow into 8TB SSD... and that computer also offers 2 more empty SSD slots in which OP could fatten up storage many times above the current need (to 24TB internally as soon as NOW). Choose a Mac and need more RAM OR SSD at some point or have either part go bad and OP has to replace the entire computer... exactly what OP is facing now with that iMac.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong: compare that PC with 4TB and 64GB for < $1200 vs. the equivalent config in a Mac... which I think is the minimum Studio MAX with 64GB and 4TB of Apple upgrades at $3599. The only other choice would be MBpro in clamshell mode but that config requires significant upgrades resulting in a $4699 price. So basically, OP can pay about $1200 for a 64GB/4TB PC vs. either $3599 or $4699 for the 2 most accessible Macs that can be configured that way.

Unless I'm missing a cheaper Mac that can be configured with 64GB RAM and 4TB SSD as OP wants, my suggestion might be to shift the heavy lifting to a PC and pair it with maybe a refurb M2 Mac mini with 24GB RAM and 1TB SSD for $1189. Spend $2400 to get BOTH that loaded PC and a pretty good Mac for Apple-specific needs or:
  1. spend $3599+ for only a 64GB/4TB Mac new... or
  2. refurb Mac Studio with aging M1 for $3149... or a
  3. minimal "internal" storage refurb Mac and then buying third party SSD in an external.
The lowest cost option for #3 appears to be a new minimal spec M2 Mac Studio upgraded to 64GB at Apple pricing but only 512GB SSD for $2399... and then paying a couple hundred for a 4TB external SSD on top of that... basically approx. doubling the price of the PC with 4TB SSD and 64GB RAM INSIDE. OP says he doesn't want attached storage, so this cheapest Mac option #3 is barely an option at about TWICE the price. If OP rejects #3, hello nearly 3X the price.

MY OWN iMAC-TO-SILICON+PC EXPERIENCE
When I added a PC to my own Silicon Mac setup, I thought I would use it for Windows-only apps for client work but, over time, I've been giving it more and more to do: the more compute-demanding tasks because Power is faster than PPW.

Contrary to popular spin by fans, Windows 11 is quite good. If you think you'll need some "old fashioned bootcamp" too (as ARM Windows is NOT full Windows), this should influence choice of monitor... likely ruling out ASD in favor of one with at least 2 inputs so it can be used with both platforms. After > 10 years of iMac, I chose the Dell 5K2K 40" ultrawide and it is fannnnnnnntastic! Screen looks as good as the old iMac but it provides so much more screen R.E. It has multiple inputs so both Mac and PC share it... and it can even split screen to have both on screen at the same time. A built-in (loaded) hub can make both share the same keyboard and mouse too.

I'm a 24-year Apple everything guy... but modern Apple Inc is eroding my goodwill/halo view by charging way too much relatively for RAM & SSD, applying too much "lock down" etc. So while it may seem crazy for a long-term Apple guy to suggest consideration for a PC, it's only as crazy as thinking through how much of your "load" could possibly shift to PC and then perhaps putting a modest Mac in place with it for whatever app needs remain... or for a little Apple app polish.
Sorry, no PC for me. Thank you
 
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