All iPads iPad Liquid Retina display and vertigo

[Jclok]

I came from a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 with 120hz promotion. I didn’t have to adjust any settings. It caused me no issues. I recently bought the 2021 iPad Pro 11 and I get dizzy almost immediately while using it. An idea what differences there are between the two display technologies? I feel I can’t focus on anything with the newer screen. I tried adjusting motion settings etc... but nothing helped.

1. Are there more dimming zones?
2. is there any motion interpolation?
3. what makes it ”liquid” vs the normal Retina display?

I appreciate any feedback. Not knowing what may be affecting me adds to the anxiety.

 

[macphoto861]

The "liquid" part only means that the corners are rounded.

 

[fwmireault]

I came from a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 with 120hz promotion. I didn’t have to adjust any settings. It caused me no issues. I recently bought the 2021 iPad Pro 11 and I get dizzy almost immediately while using it. An idea what differences there are between the two display technologies? I feel I can’t focus on anything with the newer screen. I tried adjusting motion settings etc... but nothing helped.

1. Are there more dimming zones?
2. is there any motion interpolation?
3. what makes it ”liquid” vs the normal Retina display?

I appreciate any feedback. Not knowing what may be affecting me adds to the anxiety.

It’s weird because there isn’t a major difference between the panel on 2017 iPP and 2021 iPP (11 inch). I would have bet on the 120hz display but your old iPad already had it.

As macphoto861 said, Liquid Retina is just rounded corners. It means nothings regarding the specs of the display itself.

I would suggest you try a few days to see if your eyes can acclimate the new iPad, I don’t think that it will last very much

 

[Samut]

Now that someone mentioned it. I don’t get vertigo with the new 2021 Ipad pro 11 but I get eye strain and my eyes feel dry shortly after using it.

Felt strange as I’m coming from Ipad Air 3 and had no issues with it.

 

[rui no onna]

The 2020 iPad Pro 11 showed PWM at 1316 Hz. That's high but if you're super sensitive, it may still cause issues. Maybe the same panel was used for 2021?

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[Kierkegaarden]

Now that someone mentioned it. I don’t get vertigo with the new 2021 Ipad pro 11 but I get eye strain and my eyes feel dry shortly after using it.

Felt strange as I’m coming from Ipad Air 3 and had no issues with it.

Seemingly unrelated, but I have a pair of glasses with small round lenses — I experience dizziness and dry eyes within a short time after wearing. Maybe like a new lens, our eyes need a period of time to adjust? I don’t know. The situation is different, but the symptoms sound similar.

 

[scupking]

I came from a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 with 120hz promotion. I didn’t have to adjust any settings. It caused me no issues. I recently bought the 2021 iPad Pro 11 and I get dizzy almost immediately while using it. An idea what differences there are between the two display technologies? I feel I can’t focus on anything with the newer screen. I tried adjusting motion settings etc... but nothing helped.

1. Are there more dimming zones?
2. is there any motion interpolation?
3. what makes it ”liquid” vs the normal Retina display?

I appreciate any feedback. Not knowing what may be affecting me adds to the anxiety.

I had that same issue with my first pro 10.5. Returned it waited a few months and bought a new one. The second was great(until the white spot). I could use it all day without an issue. So far my 2021 pro 11 seems great.

 

[haruhiko]

Hmmm do you think that the eye strain was caused due to you playing with it a lot? It’s a new gadget.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Hmmm do you think that the eye strain was caused due to you playing with it a lot? It’s a new gadget.

Playing in what sense?

 

[haruhiko]

Playing in what sense?

I mean using it. We spend much more time staring at the screen on new gadgets and it may also play a role in any eye strain and tiredness experienced.

 

[rui no onna]

I mean using it. We spend much more time staring at the screen on new gadgets and it may also play a role in any eye strain and tiredness experienced.

Lol, I use the iPad like 12 hours a day. Heavy use is just normal for me.

 

[haruhiko]

Lol, I use the iPad like 12 hours a day. Heavy use is just normal for me.

Haha same here. I use the iPad as the primary device - unless when I’m on the move then of course I can only use the phone.

 

[rui no onna]

Haha same here. I use the iPad as the primary device - unless when I’m on the move then of course I can only use the phone.

I still use the iPad then (Air with Cellular). Just the right size for my purses.

 

[haruhiko]

I still use the iPad then (Air with Cellular). Just the right size for my purses.

I still have a 2019 mini just in case I need to carry an iPad in my small messenger bag. But honestly it doesn’t offer much more value than the iPhone 12 Pro Max except wider when it’s in vertical orientation…and.. I can’t stand the big bezels anymore haha.

 

[jimmy_uk]

Some who have felt sensitivity towards some of the newer ipads, Macbooks and LCD iPhones, think it maybe caused by:

1. face ID, or more specifically "attention aware" feature which you could turn off.


2. Or it could be temporal dithering.

Quoted from another forum:

"With the new screens that promise 'billions of colors' they don't actually offer a complete screen full of rich static pixels. Instead in the place of pixels there are these mini nodes that flicker back and forth rapidly (dither), presumably filling the space with an even richer viewing experience. The caveat is that while many with the naked eye may not notice, the perceived vs. real reaction on the eyes is quite straining."


Apple did make changes to their LCDs several years ago as I cannot comfortably use the iphone 11 screen. It feels like the edge of my vision is being strained, like a torch is being flashed in my eyes. I cannot use any of the OLED iPhones due to the PWM which causes eye strain and headaches with 10-20mins. I couldn't comment on the 2018-2021 ipads as I've not used any of them for long enough.

I'm fine using my 7 Plus and 5k iMac from 2017 all day.

 

[Jclok]

Thank you all for the replies. I seriously tried giving the new iPad 11 pro a shot. I have other devices that use PWM, but I don’t know their frequencies. The dithering data was very interesting. I’m wondering if that’s what is causing my eyes not to be able to focus on the screen.

I just ordered a benq monitor to see if I experience any issues with them. Until further notice, I will have to stick to my 2017 iPad pro until apple either changes their display tech or if I just have to unfortunately switch tablet brands (not preferred)

 

[Jclok]

Just a note. I will try the iPad Pro Liquid Retina again in store with an accessibility specialists and see if there are any options that work for me. If my vertigo is because of how colors are handled, maybe there is hope. If not, the current gen normal iPad still has a Retina display...

 

[motulist]

Try turning off parallax effect in the settings app. I think it's under accessibility > vision, or something like that.

 

[Jclok]

Try turning off parallax effect in the settings app. I think it's under accessibility > vision, or something like that.

Oh trust me, I tried all of the motion settings, brightness settings, True Tone, etc….

 

[Jclok]

Ok so I gave it one last shot at Apple. For sure when looking at the new iPad Pro 11 and 12.9, i feel very “off” staring at the display. I spent a good deal of time between the pro iPads and the 8th gen iPad and latest iPad mini. Neither of the latter two bothered me. was hoping the 12.9 would be ok since it has a different panel, but it was a very minor improvement on my eyes/brain.

I have a question. Does anyone know who is making the panels for the newer pro iPads?

 

[Samut]

Ok so I gave it one last shot at Apple. For sure when looking at the new iPad Pro 11 and 12.9, i feel very “off” staring at the display. I spent a good deal of time between the pro iPads and the 8th gen iPad and latest iPad mini. Neither of the latter two bothered me. was hoping the 12.9 would be ok since it has a different panel, but it was a very minor improvement on my eyes/brain.

I have a question. Does anyone know who is making the panels for the newer pro iPads?

Have you tried the iPad Air 4 (2020)? I'm having problems with my iPad pro 2021 as well and having some serious eye-strain.

 

[now i see it]

Not to worry, they'll soon have an Apple Watch feature that detects when you're experiencing vertigo using their products.
/s

 

[Jclok]

Have you tried the iPad Air 4 (2020)? I'm having problems with my iPad pro 2021 as well and having some serious eye-strain.

Thanks for the input! I’ve been very hesitant to try the iPad Air 4 since they state it uses the same “Liquid Retina” display. In all fairness, I should give it a go. My friend has last years’ iPad Pro 11 and I had the same issue with it.

I bought an Apple refurbished 2017 iPad Pro to hold me over until I see what Apple does next.

 

[Jclok]

Not to worry, they'll soon have an Apple Watch feature that detects when you're experiencing vertigo using their products.
/s

I got a good smile from that one. Would be awesome if they sourced panels from Panasonic.

 

[Martius]

i would try the Air 4. According to notebookcheck it's PWM free. I'm PWM sensitive too, so I rather use older tech than having headaches.