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I was waiting for the new MacBook Pro launch before pulling the plug to buy a new laptop. And now I definitely realize that the MacBook Pro is not what I want. Too heavy and too expensive.

I have just ordered a 17-inch LG Gram. It comes with a Core i7-1165g7, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, and a 17-inch 2560x1600 screen. I paid $1450 for it, which, here in Brazil, is an absolute bargain.

The base 16-inch MacBook Pro would cost me at least $5400 here in Brazil. Yes, it is faster and has a better screen than the 17-inch Gram, but it is also heavier and much more expensive. Definitely not what I want or need.

The 17-inch LG Gram should arrive by Friday. I hope it will be good. I currently have a 14-inch LG Gram with an 8th gen Intel processor which is just fine. It does not have the same premium feel or screen quality as my 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar, but it has a better battery life and is lighter, which are two qualities I much appreciate. Let's see what the new model will bring.
 
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I`ve just bought the base model Gram 17 (i5, 8gb RAM, 512 ssd) for office use. For anything demanding I have a powerful desktop and intel mbp 16 (when on the go).
I like it very much. It is much lighter than my mbp, it has better battery life and the screen is quite good.
For the intended tasks (office apps + browsing) it just flies, it appears to be even more responsive for this purpose than the mac.
I`m curious how will behave on the long term.
 
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I’ve flirted with buying a 16” or 17” LG gram over the past week or so. Interested in hearing your thoughts.
I was torn between the 16 and the 17-inch models. Here in Brazil, the 16-inch ships with 256 GB storage and the 17-inch with 512 GB (there is only one model of each for sale). Given that the price difference between them was only $60, I went with the larger one.

The LG Gram 17 has not yet arrived.

As mentioned, I currently have an LG Gram 14z980, which comes with a 14-inch display with a 1920x1080 resolution, an Intel Core i5-8250u processor, 8 GB RAM 2400 MHz, and a 256 GB SATA SSD. It performs well and basically fulfills my needs for a very portable laptop. The screen is fine unless I put it side-by-side with the MacBook Pro (the latter is far better). The performance is good enough for general tasks. The keyboard and trackpad are both nice. Overall, it is a very convenient laptop which is very light at less than 1kg (hence the name "Gram") and has terrific battery life.

The new one is supposed to be far better. The performance will be much increased with a Core i7-1165g7, which should be much faster. It comes with 16 GB 4266 MHz and a 512 GB NVMe, a lot faster as well. The display is taller (16:10 form factor) and has a higher resolution (2560x1600) which allows for more real screen estate, in addition to having a higher pixel density. Battery life is also expected to improve. Overall, I have high hopes for this one, and it may be just the laptop I need.

I will tell you when I get it.
 
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I need a machine for MS Office (especially Word & Excel) that can simultaneously stream web video.
And handle 4-5 hour Zoom video calls.

HDMI and USB-A ports helpful.

I’ve tried several PC laptops (even recently) that cannot perform these simple tasks, it’s just frustrating. So I am hoping the Gram with Evo graphics can handle this rather simple workload.

Thank you both for the input.
 

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Please instruct me precisely how to test it to be useful.
I can open a web browser with multiple tabs, stream some youtube video, start word with a bigger document and some more complex excel file. Simultaneously I can open google meet to have a video call and fire up zoom.
I dont know how to have more than one zoom calls (my platform of preference is teams due to some professional considerations).
If there is something else, please tell me.
 
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Thank you for this, I had an external display plugged into the hdmi port, was running excel web tutorials from Microsoft and had Excel open. Every time I tried to play video like this while working in Excel, the video playback would skip and the battery drained very fast (these were AMD HP Envy machines on W11, note I updated W11 to include the AMD patch fixes.)

These were not complicated Excel books either: I had two workbooks open and was working in the built in sample Excel tutorial for drop down menus (Data Validation lists) while following along with the video on Microsoft’s site. The MS page was open in Microsoft Edge.

Could you try the built in Excel Drop Drop menu tutorial while running the video on Microsoft’s site and see if you can run a YouTube video at the same time?

Are you on W10 or W11?

It sounds like you’re not having any issues which is great.

Thanks so much.
 
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I am on win 11. The laptop is at home and have no external monitor there (i have a surface studio but it doesnt work as external monitor).
I will be able to test everything without the external monitor today.
The monitor will have to wait until Monday.
 
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I am on win 11. The laptop is at home and have no external monitor there (i have a surface studio but it doesnt work as external monitor).
I will be able to test everything without the external monitor today.
The monitor will have to wait until Monday.
Thank you very much for testing these conditions. You can omit the external display test.

Really do appreciate your help and info.

I’m close to trying a 17” Gram, just trying one other laptop before I do.

Thank you again. ?
 
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So, I am doing the test while I write. It stared 10 minutes ago.
I opened ms outlook, one longish document, one excel file (around 500 entries - books) and analyzed it, opened whatsapp desktop, 4 different browser windows (I use edge). The main one with around 15 tabs, 5 of which are youtube channels and one is google meet for a video conference. The other 3 browser windows are for other youtube videos.
Plus I opened adobe acrobat reader and 2 big pdfs (around 10gb each) plus xodo and other 2 pdfs.
So far nothing lags, the laptop got warm but not hot. Battery drains about 1%/2 minutes.
 
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My LG Gram has just arrived. It is a big beast, although very lightweight. It is black and looks premium, much more than my LG Gram 14. I will post a review and some pictures of it.

The screen is very large and beautiful, although it has a lot of glare. The keyboard is just great, noticeable better than my LG Gram 14. The trackpad is big, I think it should be around as big as the one in the 13-inch MacBook Pro/Air, and has a nice feeling.

I have not yet tested it. It is currently being set-up and downloading Windows 11 (yes, I will install Windows 11 on it, definitely).
 

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You wont regret it. I also did the upgrade right away. It works flawlessly on win 11.
I have already upgraded my other eligible devices to Windows 11. It is fine.

Now I have to say... this is a big screen. I never had a laptop with a screen so big. It looks like it is almost too big. Before that, the largest ones were my 15.4-inch MacBook Pro (the tallest, since it has a 16:10 screen ratio) and the 15.6-inch Dell XPS (the widest, as it has a 16:9 screen ratio). Well, there was a 15-inch 4:3 screen in an old Compaq back then, but I suppose it is too old. Anyway, this is my first 17-inch screen in a laptop.
 

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I like this way (big tall screen). I can have comfortably 2 documents side by side.
The mbp 16 was the minimum acceptable (at least to me) for this purpose.
 
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I like this way (big tall screen). I can have comfortably 2 documents side by side.
The mbp 16 was the minimum acceptable (at least to me) for this purpose.
I have not yet used it extensively (it is currently installing Windows 11), but I like it too. I generally use two documents side-by-side and the 2560x1600 resolution is good for that.

The screen is bright and the colors are really vivid. I put it side-by-side with my 13-inch MacBook Pro (TouchBar) and the colors look more vivid.
 

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My LG Gram 17 arrived yesterday, and this is my review of it after almost 24 hours with the laptop. These here are my initial impressions, and they may change after using it more frequently.

Overall, I have to say that I am very pleased with it and it exceeded my expectations so far. I would recommend it to anyone who wants a computer for productivity or office use: it has a large screen comfortable to use with many windows opened; a nice and comfortable keyboard to type at; and good performance and battery life. I would say it is just great for executives, academics, or writers. I would not dare to say it is good for photo or video editors as I am not one of them and I cannot attest if the performance or the color accuracy is on par.

To sum it up, this is quite much the laptop I would expect Apple to deliver as a large MacBook Air. Not all the details, obviously. But I would expect Apple to release a large and yet light MacBook Air with good quality overall. LG is quite ahead of Apple and of everyone else in offering large lightweight laptops for general use. People should not necessarily link large laptops to powerful components and dedicated video cards, which only drives up the prices of these devices and make them heavy and battery-hungry. More manufacturers should follow LG's lead and offer large laptops to the general audience, as many of them would benefit from a big screen without necessarily needing all the power of a gaming laptop or of a MacBook Pro.

SPECS. Intel Core i7-1165g7 28W (2.8 GHz, 4.7 GHz Turbo, 12 MB L3 cache), Intel Iris Xe Graphics, 16 GB RAM LPDDR4 4266 MHz, 512 GB SSD NVMe, 17-inch IPS LCD screen with 2560x1600 resolution and DCI-P3 99%, Intel Wi-Fi 6, LAN 10/100 Mbit, Bluetooth 5.1, 2x USB 3.1 type C/Thunderbolt, HDMI, 1x USB 3.1 type A, card reader, headphone jack, 2x 2W speakers, 720p webcam, 80Wh battery, 1.35kg (2.98 lbs) weight.

The specs are fine, although rather normal. The large screen and lightweight, while retaining a large battery, are the key points here.

SIZE. It is big, very big, to accommodate the very large screen. You can definitely notice the size, especially as the chassis is black.

However, despite the display being considerably bigger, the chassis is only slightly larger than both my 15.4-inch MacBook Pro and my Dell XPS 15 because of the small bezels around the screen. So, while big, it is not ridiculously big, and I could accommodate it inside my backpack.

Note that I am comparing it to a 2013 15.4-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display, not the current model. That model had larger bezels than the Touch Bar version, which has larger bezels than the M-series Apple has just released. The latest version (which I have not seen yet in the wild) is probably considerably smaller due to its smaller bezels. However, as for size, I do not think a 17-inch laptop can be much smaller than the LG Gram 17; the bezels are already thin and, although they can be further reduced, I do not think any gains would be considerable here.

WEIGHT. It is very light considering its size. Anyone who would lift the LG Gram 17 would notice it. It is about the same weight, only a tad lighter than my 13.3-inch MacBook Pro with TouchBar (at 1.37kg/3.02 lbs). When lifting them with both hands, the LG Gram 17 feels even lighter, probably because the weight is spread over a larger area. The MacBook is easier to lift with one hand, though, probably due to its compact size.

The LG Gram 17 is noticeable lighter than the 15.4-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display (at 2.02kg/4.46 lbs) and the Dell XPS 9550 (at 1.78kg/3.9 lbs).

It is not as light, though, as the LG Gram 14. The LG Gram 14 weighs slightly less than 1kg (2.2 lbs), and everyone that lifts it think it is a toy and not a real laptop. The LG Gram 17 is 35% heavier, but it is also a much bigger laptop. The LG Gram 14 looks like the LG Gram 17's offspring. The power supply of the LG Gram 17 is about the same size and weight as the LG Gram 14 (perhaps only a tad heavier, but very close), which is a good thing.

BUILD. The quality of parts of the LG Gram 17 surprised me. I suppose it is made of magnesium alloy. It quite feels like plastic, although of good quality. It is black and beautiful, although I have to say that dust is very noticeable. It looks and feels far more premium than my 14-inch LG Gram 14z980 to the point they both seem to belong in different categories. LG claims that they both are very resistant, but I have not tested them (and I will not).

The MacBooks, with their aluminum chassis, look and feel even more premium. Although the feel of the LG Gram 17 is great, aluminum is a whole other level. However, it is not too far off as the LG Gram 14 was. Plus, aluminum make those Macs even heavier. And there is one last point: aluminum in the Macs is cold and harder to the touch. The LG Gram 17 is warmer and softer, which may feel more comfortable sometimes.

I have to say that I prefer the build of the LG Gram 17 over the one in the Dell XPS 9550. The Dell XPS 9550, with a mix of magnesium alloy (I think) and metal, looks like it has too many loose parts. The LG Gram 17 feels more tightly built. I may be biased to say so, as my Dell XPS 9550 had problems since the beginning, and the chassis has broken and cracked by itself, at which point it stopped working. But it never felt too solid anyway.

DISPLAY SIZE. This is the very first thing anyone would notice on the LG Gram 17. The display is huge at 17 inches. It is also tall because of the 16:10 screen ratio. It is noticeable larger than the displays in any of my previous laptops. It has a 21.86% larger area than my 15.4-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display; it is also 24.91% larger than my 15.6-inch Dell XPS 9550. So, the 17-inch screen is big, although not ridiculously bigger than the 15-inch screens of my previous laptops.

I have to say it is very comfortable to use a display this size. This is what a desktop replacement feels like. It is not cramped at all. I am happy I chose this instead of the LG Gram 16.

SCREEN RESOLUTION. The screen has a 2560x1600, which is handy. Display size is not alone to provide comfort to work. One has to have real estate, and this is what resolution provides. I am very picky about screen resolution and I would not have bought it if it were Full HD. Definitely it is a big deal for me.

Text looks small when using it at 100% scaling, and I can see the individual pixels, so it may not be considered quite "retina". The display has a 177.58 ppi pixel density, which I think is quite good. Just for the sake of comparison, I calculated the pixel density of all my current laptops:

LG Gram 17: 17-inch at 2560x1600, 177.58 ppi

MacBook Pro with Touch Bar: 13.3-inch at 2560x1600, 226.98 ppi

MacBook Pro with Retina Display: 15.4-inch at 2880x1800, 220.53 ppi

LG Gram 14: 14-inch at 1920x1080, 157.35 ppi

Dell XPS 9550: 15.6-inch at 3840x2160, 282.42 ppi

The Dell XPS 9550 is 4K. It is a very nice display, but the resolution is overkill, as it consumes a huge amount of battery life and I cannot perceive the benefits of such a high resolution. The Macs are probably the sweet spot here, as they have fine screen resolutions that hide individual pixels from sight (hence a "Retina" display). The LG Gram 14 is OK, but individual pixels are still too visible. The LG Gram 17 has a nice balance. I am using it at 125% scaling and pixels are hardly visible, which I think it is perfectly fine (and finer than I originally thought it would be, so it surprised me positively). Although I would prefer the resolution to be a bit higher (such as the one in the Macs), I acknowledge that it would consume more battery life and I think it is already good the way it is.

BRIGHTNESS. I saw lots of complaints about brightness in this model. However, I found the screen to be very bright and vivid. I put it side by side with my 13.3-inch MacBook Pro which has 500 nits of display brightness, and it fared very well. I have not tested this model in the streets, though. It will certainly not be anywhere near the new MacBook Pro models.

GLARE. There is a lot of glare, and in this respect, it is similar to the LG Gram 14. The Macs have far less glare and are much more comfortable to look at when there is a source of light behind. The LG Gram 17 sometimes looks like a mirror.

COLORS. Colors are absolutely amazing in the LG Gram 17. They are so vivid. I put the LG Gram 17, the LG Gram 14, and the 13.3-inch MacBook Pro with TouchBar side by side to compare this. I used EIZO Monitor Test for this one. The colors in the LG Gram 17 look so much more vivid and bright than in the two other laptops to the point it surprised me. I thought the Mac would win this easily, as it has 100% DCI-P3 and the reds and greens are so vivid. But the LG Gram 17 puts the Mac to shame, as even reds and greens were far more vivid and bright. I was not expecting this result, but the LG Gram 17 totally blew me away in terms of color reproduction. I do not expect it to be better than the new MacBook Pro, which I am yet to see, but it has surprised me.

Please note that I have not tested color accuracy, nor have I the means to. But colors just popped out of the screen of the LG Gram 17 in a way that they did not in the two other laptops (which, to be fair, looked very much the same, perhaps with some small advantage to the MacBook Pro).

PERFORMANCE. So far, it is very responsive, and I have not seen it turn on the fans. Windows feels much faster and more responsive than the LG Gram 14. Please note that I do not use it for intensive tasks, but mostly for web browsing and office applications. I never expected it to be a performance monster. However, it has not stuttered or shown any problems or delays in handling these applications. The SSD is noticeably faster than the one in the LG Gram 14, and it shows.

I ran some benchmarks:

Geekbench 5 single-core: 1359

Geekbench 5 multi-core: 5070

Geekbench 5 Open CL: 18575

This is quite good. I was expecting this level of performance of the CPU (or perhaps a little higher, but it is OK), which is far better than my LG Gram 14 (around 850 in single-core and 2700-2900 in multi-core, but much lower lately for some reason). I never expected it to reach the heights of the M1 Macs, and I was also expecting it to perform on the low-end of 11th gen Core i7 processors (in order to keep battery life high and allow for less fans). The single-core performance exceeds that of my Core i7-9700K, which is a power-hungry desktop processor.

However, I was blown away by the Open CL score, as I was not expecting this from an integrated graphics card: my LG Gram 14 was around 4500 and the Dell XPS 9550 (with a dedicated video card) was in the range of 12000. The RTX 2070 on my desktop is still miles ahead, though, no comparison at all with this one, as it is about 5x faster.

Overall, this is not the beast to run applications that are very intensive on resources. It will never replace one of the brand-new MacBook Pros which are much better in terms of performance. However, this one here is perfectly fine, fast, and snappy, for any general tasks. Performance-wise, this is what I need from a laptop. And given its surprising GPU power, I can even run some games.

KEYBOARD. I was expecting the keyboard to be similar to the one in the LG Gram 14. The LG Gram 14 has a keyboard which is fine, and I ended up getting used to it. The 13.3-inch MacBook Pro with a TouchBar has a keyboard with very little travel, but which I like due to the clickness and sound. The 15.4-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display has a nice keyboard, but I always felt the keys had less travel than my previous ancient white 2008 MacBook (which was very satisfying to type on). The Dell XPS 9550 has an OK keyboard and, while many reviewers praise it, I never thought it was anything amazing.

I am positively surprised by the keyboard in the LG Gram 17. The keys are larger than the ones in the Gram 14, and I suppose as large as the ones in the butterfly keyboard of the 13.3-inch MacBook Pro (so, also larger than the ones in the Dell XPS 9550 and in the 15.4-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display). It also has a better travel and more tactile feel. Overall, this keyboard feels better than the ones in the LG Gram 14, the MacBook Pro (both the TouchBar and the Retina Display), and the Dell XPS 9550. It is probably as satisfying to type at as in my old white MacBook (or even more, I would dare to say). Yes, the keys are very good indeed.

Some of the keys are not full-size, which is typical for a laptop. It has a Numpad, which honestly makes no difference for me. The position of the keys is similar to my LG Gram 14 (with some awkward choices in terms of layout), but some are positioned differently, which requires some getting used to. But overall a nice experience.

TRACKPAD. The trackpad is large, very large, and I think it has the same size as the one in my 13.3-inch MacBook Pro (although it does not look like it due to the size of the laptop). The trackpad is good and precise and nice to the touch. It is nicer to the touch than the smaller plasticky trackpad of the LG Gram 14 and more precise than the one in the Dell XPS 9550. It is indeed more comparable to the trackpad in the MacBook Pro (which, of course, is still unrivaled because of the tight integration between hardware and software; but the LG is not far behind either).

SOUND. It is supposed to be one of the negatives here due to the 2W speakers. I tested it side-by-side with the LG Gram 14 and the 13.3-inch MacBook Pro with TouchBar. Honestly, they all sounded fine. Perhaps the MacBook Pro sounds a little better, but I also live in an apartment, and I cannot test the sound to the limit. I also do not have the best ear to accurately test sound. For watching YouTube videos and listening to music at a reasonably low volume, it is just OK. It will not be anywhere near the new MacBook Pros with Spatial Audio and a great cinematic experience.

WEBCAM. The 720p webcam is, of course, poor. It seems to capture light better than the LG Gram 14 or the 13.3-inch MacBook Pro, but only slightly. It is still in the same ballpark, with a tiny improvement perhaps.

BATTERY. It seems to be OK. LG claims it will last 19.5 hours. I have used it for some 4 hours at peak brightness and high performance and it has consumed 55% of the battery. I think it should be fine and it should last for at least a day of work if used adequately. However, I do not think I will get somewhere close to what LG is claiming, unless I am very economical in battery usage.

SOFTWARE. It came with Windows 10, with the option to upgrade it to Windows 11 right out of the box. I chose to update, and I am happy that I did. Windows 11 runs perfectly fine on the laptop.
 

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Regarding the pixelated text, is it possible to post a screenshot of that?

Thank you @skaertus and thank you @Silvestru Hosszu for the tests.

I realize plugging the laptop into a display via hdmi and running Zoom for 4.5 hours will eat up battery.
Sure. Here you go. I am attaching two sets of three pictures here, with scaling at 100%, 125%, and 150%. The picture at 100% (2560x1600 resolution, 2560x1600 aspect ratio) shows a huge work area, but the text is clearly more pixelated. You can hardly see the pixels at 125% scaling (2560x1600 resolution, 2048x1280 aspect ratio), which seems semi-retina. At 150% scaling (2560x1600 resolution, 1706x1066 aspect ratio), I cannot see the pixels, but then you lose too much of real estate screen. I am using it at 125% scaling, which seems a nice balance and provides me more work area than Full HD.

Note that the screen in the LG Gram has the same resolution as the 13.3-inch MacBook Air/Pro. As it is larger, it will not be as sharp. But it is sharper than most laptops, including the Dell XPS 13 with a Full HD screen.
 

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Sure. Here you go. I am attaching two sets of three pictures here, with scaling at 100%, 125%, and 150%. The picture at 100% (2560x1600 resolution, 2560x1600 aspect ratio) shows a huge work area, but the text is clearly more pixelated. You can hardly see the pixels at 125% scaling (2560x1600 resolution, 2048x1280 aspect ratio), which seems semi-retina. At 150% scaling (2560x1600 resolution, 1706x1066 aspect ratio), I cannot see the pixels, but then you lose too much of real estate screen. I am using it at 125% scaling, which seems a nice balance and provides me more work area than Full HD.

Note that the screen in the LG Gram has the same resolution as the 13.3-inch MacBook Air/Pro. As it is larger, it will not be as sharp. But it is sharper than most laptops, including the Dell XPS 13 with a Full HD screen.
Thank you very much. That is quite helpful. I have an M1 MBP here so something close to that resolution is great. Appreciate it.
 
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Thank you very much. That is quite helpful. I have an M1 MBP here so something close to that resolution is great. Appreciate it.
I hope it helps. The resolution is exactly the same as the one in the M1 MacBook Pro. The difference is just that, due to the screen being larger, the LG Gram 17 has less pixel density. Therefore, the pixels may be more visible to the naked eye.
 
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Nice review. I don't think that I've played with one with the 11th gen Intel CPU but the Geekbench GPU score is definitely a step up from 10th gen. I've always liked this model but I just prefer macOS for my work.
 
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Nice review. I don't think that I've played with one with the 11th gen Intel CPU but the Geekbench GPU score is definitely a step up from 10th gen. I've always liked this model but I just prefer macOS for my work.
Yes, it is a step up.

The 2021 version, with the 11th gen Intel CPU, has other differences from the 2020 version with the 10th gen. The chassis was improved (apart from looking nicer), especially the keyboard. The keys now are larger and have more travel.
 

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Yes, it is a step up.

The 2021 version, with the 11th gen Intel CPU, has other differences from the 2020 version with the 10th gen. The chassis was improved (apart from looking nicer), especially the keyboard. The keys now are larger and have more travel.

There were complaints with the 2020 model in SSD performance too. Some people were buying after-market NVMe SSDs to make the system drive and using the one that came with it for slower archive storage.
 
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