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Amid backlash, Apple will change photo-scanning plan but won’t drop it completely
Edit: let me add that when this thread was created, Apple had announced and subsequently dug their heels in on this move even though there was a lot of backlash - particularly from the same folks that Apple courted and catered too when they marketed themselves as a security and privacy minded company.
Seems to me that Apple does not want computer users as their main customers.
They are developing for those who want "fast, simple and who cares about that extra step
as long as it look nice and very light and our image is mainstream"
case in point is when you save a video clip online,
Windows titles that clip with a proper name like "KBLandscaping_1:02.mp4"
instead of "RP_replayfinaleverynumberknowntohumanbeings.mp4"which apple does.
i cannot use anything apple when creating video clips for our company unless i rename every one.
this might be a mundane quest or process
but still important little things makes companies better than others.
PC World ran a video created by intel interviewing apple lovers which was interesting.
I'm sure that will get a lot of backlash here soon.
They are developing for those who want "fast, simple and who cares about that extra step
as long as it look nice and very light and our image is mainstream"
case in point is when you save a video clip online,
Windows titles that clip with a proper name like "KBLandscaping_1:02.mp4"
instead of "RP_replayfinaleverynumberknowntohumanbeings.mp4"which apple does.
i cannot use anything apple when creating video clips for our company unless i rename every one.
this might be a mundane quest or process
but still important little things makes companies better than others.
PC World ran a video created by intel interviewing apple lovers which was interesting.
I'm sure that will get a lot of backlash here soon.
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The Apple fans won't be able to get past it being created by intel in order to watch it, however, that said it offers nothing new really. Many if not most users of Apple devices know the issues just like they probably know the issues on the PC side for them that makes Apple more compelling on balance.
There will always be those that will defend Apple to their last breath and would pay them $20 for a single-use bag if it had their logo on it, some would call it innovative.
There are significant restrictions on the type of data that Apple has access to on the iPhone. I wouldn't really call it an invasion of privacy if Apple knows nothing about it until there is actually something worth knowing about.
The white paper about Apple's CSAM feature indicates that Apple won't actually be able to learn anything about non-CSAM images--they will learn only about CSAM images, and even then there is a threshold of positive matches that need to be made against an encrypted, on-device database (which the user nor Apple can actually access on the device) for that to happen.
Seems rather tinfoil hat-ish to abandon an entire ecosystem over that feature. In fact, if somebody is willing to go to those lengths, it kind of looks like they have something to hide (not saying that they actually do, but it would raise eyebrows).
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I'm on my last piece of Apple hardware, my 2018 Mac Mini running Mojave.
For me it is more of a matter of principal and not liking where Apple is moving. I paid thousands in software and hardware that has been slowly breaking with each OS version up to Mojave. I know if I move beyond it, its a done deal.
Windows has a magical option called "compatibility mode", I really wish MacOS would just give us this instead of killing everything 32-Bit and soon-to-be Intel.
It's been slow going. I first shed my iPhone when the iOS required Sierra to sync with iTunes and some software kept me on Mavericks for a while. From there I gave my MBP to a friend and replaced it with a Galaxy Book Pro.
I realize security updates will end shortly with Mojave so I'm migrating everything to other browsers and abandoning Safari all together soon.
For me it is more of a matter of principal and not liking where Apple is moving. I paid thousands in software and hardware that has been slowly breaking with each OS version up to Mojave. I know if I move beyond it, its a done deal.
Windows has a magical option called "compatibility mode", I really wish MacOS would just give us this instead of killing everything 32-Bit and soon-to-be Intel.
It's been slow going. I first shed my iPhone when the iOS required Sierra to sync with iTunes and some software kept me on Mavericks for a while. From there I gave my MBP to a friend and replaced it with a Galaxy Book Pro.
I realize security updates will end shortly with Mojave so I'm migrating everything to other browsers and abandoning Safari all together soon.
I'm perfectly fine now with my tablets (Samsung Galaxy note 10.1, 8.0, Tab 2 10.1, 7.0) smartphones (Samsung Galaxy SII, Samsung Galaxy Note II) and my TV platform (Amazon Fire TV Stick). All the same stuff, all the same services, and bonus for more privacy (long out of support for Google) control over updates (am I the only one who considers lack of updates a feature?!) and even better--a UI that is fully skeuomorphic. That last one is very important to me. I must enjoy what I use and I love the delights of skeuo. All modern OSs are flat and bland. Even Graphene is flat. Another reason I avoid Pixel is Google always killing off apps/services at the drop of a hat, and always wanting the latest version of apps to even use them. I can't trust that a Pixel's version of Maps, YouTube, or the darned Chrome Web Browser will even be working 5 years from now, much less 10 or even 20. I need apps I can depend on, which never change. They should 'just work'.
If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear!
More discussion here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/switching-due-to-csam-is-drastic-and-premature.2311948/
Well, I can say I've heard of plenty of people who continue using something that is years out of date. Sometimes a single application. Other times an entire computer system. And one reason I've heard repeatedly is that the old solution works, and works better for the user.
I've been down that road myself--although currently everything I'm routinely using is fairly current.
I also love the challenge of keeping compatibility with modern services (aka, Kindle, Spotify, Gmail) with older apps. A lot of times it involves nothing but simply not turning on 2FA, other times you have to make a MIM gateway IP to 'fool' the older app to think its talking to its old cloud that no longer exists but challenges keep me mentally stimulated and it's downright fun. I often find the 'old' smartphone or 'old' tablet more an 'upgrade' than anything modern that is just boring in comparison. Keep in mind those old tablets have Tablet UI still intact, which is something a ton of modern Android tablets lack; modern tablets tend to run blown up phone apps, while older Android tablets have a proper tablet UI comparable to an iPad. Another benefit is the reduction in e-waste as they would likely be tossed into the garbage (and recycling also takes resources, albeit less) if unsold. I appreciate any attempt to keep using already made tech, used such as it is, over buying new tech who's only intent is doing the same thing in a more frustrating way. I mean there is literally nothing my Galaxy SII can't do that a S21 Ultra can do. Only the S21 Ultra is too large for my pocket, and many apps are blinding white, and take three steps to do what only takes one or two on the SII.
It’s not tin hat-ish. It’s new tech for Apple. They say so when you look up CSAM on their site. They’ve never done this before.
New tech, and you have to trust that no mistakes were made on this first iteration. That everything works perfectly the first time. Because if a mistake is made, someone’s life could be ruined. Hell, your entire family’s life could be ruined.
I’m not leaving, but I’d definitely like to know much more about what happens if there is a mistake and how it is resolved. The government has not been known to quickly apologize or clear up any confusion when they make mistakes.
this is a great post, Apple makes mistakes as safari 15 has flaws and these idiots can't figure out how to run Catalina on a MacBook Air 201 while some dude can. why leave our fate in these careless techie hands?
I know I'm on the cockie-dodie list for all those complaints I tweet to Tim Jobs since 2017
jeez look what the movers and shakers did to Charlie Rose and Matt Lauder.
the day SCAM is activated, a bunch of feds will be waiting outside my old house and good ol Tim with a taser.
I'll be 1000 miles away still sending him complaint tweets!
Not sure you can replace the iPad with a reasonable alternative.
For the airport depends on which country you live in, but I would look at Eero or Google WiFi or Orbi if you live in the US.
And then a NAS maybe?
There are not only "reasonable" replacements for the iPad, there are some that exceed the iPad Pro. But that depends upon what one does with their iPad.
Well I'm not sure there is for the price. The Surface Pro is more expensive and bigger. I guess it depends on the size you want as as you said what you want to do with it.
I’m guessing @sracer was looking more along the lines of an Android or even a ChromeOS based device.
Then I personally don't consider either to offer a reasonable alternative to the iPad. It's one of the few products Apple nailed and. Has done for years.
Got it. To each their own. Please be advised though, advice is primarily being directed to answering @Mikeeee's query and he seems to not want to use an iPad anymore.
I’m almost ashamed to say my Apexit didn’t work out. I got stopped out in phase 1. Samsung Phone killed the project. Thanks for your insight though.
Then I would suggest a Surface product or similar, you have the new Surface Go no. Only Android option is Samsung but then you have all the bloatware too.
I've heard the Surface advise elsewhere as probably being the best choice for replacing an iPad and keeping some privacy. Supposedly, while Windows, it has better privacy than many options.
I don't think they are the "only" option--but Samsung is certainly very common. And a lot of the other brands I see advertised are ones no one ever heard of before (which raises concerns in my mind). Or else hard to come by.
These nitpicks aside, it's definitely worth keeping in mind that Samsung has its issues. I, myself, have half considered a tablet recently--and Samsung is attractive with lower starting prices than iPads. But I hear people talk about bloatware and the possibility that Samsung is collecting data (along with Google). One plus to the iPad--only one company collecting data.
I seriously would stop being concerned about anyone recording your data! Quite literally everyone does it, the only way you'll stop it is to stay of the internet entirely and ditch all your electronic devices. Every free app you use on an iOS device is recording your data and most likely selling it in, Apple may not be directly but it's taking a 30% cut from every purchase made in that same app.
So stop thinking about it and your choices will be much better.
Data protection laws exist to protect that collected data and for the most part they work.
Personally I use a mix of devices and so long as they make my life a little easier I'm all the happier for that. For instance I have an Amazon Echo device on my bed side table, I am currently using Google WiFi for the home, things like that. Along with several Apple devices.
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No shame. I'll freely admit that while I would love, love, love to try out an Android phone for a cycle (2-3 years), I don't want to give up my Apple Watch. And my iMessages family would kill me.
As I said somewhere earlier or in another thread, I'm not leave the Apple ecosystem...but, the Surface Pro 8 is speaking to me with WSLg (Windows Subsystem for Linux - GUI), WSA (Windows Subsystem for Android), the TB4 ports, better stylus input, and upgradable storage.
For my use cases, it may not be the best tablet, it may not be the best laptop, but it's looking like it may be a very nice compromise between the two.
I wouldn't be ashamed - Apple makes some fantastic products. I've used many different phones over the years, a number of android, and even windows phones. Apple imo, is the only that provides a great holistic experience, blending and integrating great hardware, software and services. It's not all unicorns and rainbows, but by and large I think they are doing the best amongst the phone makers.
Apple used to be great, everything 'just worked' and it was amazing looking.
Then iOS 7 happened, and they've been stuck with that look since. All the fun, joy and life taken right out of it. Who asked for flat UI in the first place? it flopped for Microsoft!
Modern iOS and modern Android look pretty much alike today. All flat, bland, white and rounded icons. Now, bring back what separated Apple from the rest, such as skeuomorphic apps, coverflow, the slide to unlock (so anyone from kids to the elderly can use it) and all the original human interface guidelines and I'll think about it. Privacy was just the last straw which broke the camel's back for me. Taking away skeuo really hurt, then taking away 32-bit support hurt more, then taking away Dashboard hurt even more than that, now taking away their trademark privacy stance? Oh GOD PLEASE NO! NOO!
Again, this is a company (and every other company including Microsoft and Google) that is supposed to be existing in a free market economic system of supply and demand. Who asked them for flat UI? loss of coverflow, 3D touch, slide to unlock, etc and privacy now? who asked them for it? NO ONE. they're merely banking on customers remaining dumb, complacent, and unthinking. That's not me. One day a company, be it Apple or anyone else, will make one mistake too many and they'll end up like Woolworths, Ames, K-Mart and Sears.
"The largest corporations make the worst stuff!"
~Dankpods
Then iOS 7 happened, and they've been stuck with that look since. All the fun, joy and life taken right out of it. Who asked for flat UI in the first place? it flopped for Microsoft!
Modern iOS and modern Android look pretty much alike today. All flat, bland, white and rounded icons. Now, bring back what separated Apple from the rest, such as skeuomorphic apps, coverflow, the slide to unlock (so anyone from kids to the elderly can use it) and all the original human interface guidelines and I'll think about it. Privacy was just the last straw which broke the camel's back for me. Taking away skeuo really hurt, then taking away 32-bit support hurt more, then taking away Dashboard hurt even more than that, now taking away their trademark privacy stance? Oh GOD PLEASE NO! NOO!
Again, this is a company (and every other company including Microsoft and Google) that is supposed to be existing in a free market economic system of supply and demand. Who asked them for flat UI? loss of coverflow, 3D touch, slide to unlock, etc and privacy now? who asked them for it? NO ONE. they're merely banking on customers remaining dumb, complacent, and unthinking. That's not me. One day a company, be it Apple or anyone else, will make one mistake too many and they'll end up like Woolworths, Ames, K-Mart and Sears.
"The largest corporations make the worst stuff!"
~Dankpods
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