According to MessagerForMac.com, Microsoft is releasing Messenger 5 for Mac on Monday, May 16th.
New features are reported to include:
Brushed Metal look and feel
Display pictures
Improved File Transfers
and more...
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According to MessagerForMac.com, Microsoft is releasing Messenger 5 for Mac on Monday, May 16th.
New features are reported to include:
Brushed Metal look and feel
Display pictures
Improved File Transfers
and more...
MSN 5 has to pretty damn good to replace Adium. The thing is normal people don't usually go looking for a client from some small group. They go to microsoft.com and download what's available.
That being said, I truly hope the next version will be so much better the 4.x and 5.x can't be discussed on the same sentence.
That being said, I truly hope the next version will be so much better the 4.x and 5.x can't be discussed on the same sentence.
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I think that the interface shown is fine, but--open-source or not--it will not be as nice a licence as existing open-source products, I'm sure. If someone wants to put in multi-protocol support, for instance, can MS just stand by?
MS has killed IE for Mac since no one would want to use it over Safari or Firefox except for some very-limited ActiveX things (and maybe the scrapbook--anything else that I've missed?). MS would do better to do the same: licence the protocol 'officially' to Apple, sanctioning its use in iChat; maybe open-sourcing this will do, that, but I doubt it. If they are going to open source anything. If they have videoconferencing, I doubt that they will.
Some of those more versed with the law may be able to point something out that I've missed, but the article *is* a bit vague. In the meantime, suffice it to say that I'll generally take open standards for a protocol that I want to use over open-source for a programme that I don't. iChat plus Adium are one two many programmes already for what should be a fully-integrated experience.
I think that the interface shown is fine, but--open-source or not--it will not be as nice a licence as existing open-source products, I'm sure. If someone wants to put in multi-protocol support, for instance, can MS just stand by?
MS has killed IE for Mac since no one would want to use it over Safari or Firefox except for some very-limited ActiveX things (and maybe the scrapbook--anything else that I've missed?). MS would do better to do the same: licence the protocol 'officially' to Apple, sanctioning its use in iChat; maybe open-sourcing this will do, that, but I doubt it. If they are going to open source anything. If they have videoconferencing, I doubt that they will.
Some of those more versed with the law may be able to point something out that I've missed, but the article *is* a bit vague. In the meantime, suffice it to say that I'll generally take open standards for a protocol that I want to use over open-source for a programme that I don't. iChat plus Adium are one two many programmes already for what should be a fully-integrated experience.
SAukland said:
Back in mid-2003, right before or right after they announced no more standalone versions of IE would be released for Windows. It was 3 announcements from them at once - AOL renewing the IE license even though AOL owned Netscape/Mozilla, no more standalone IE's for Windows, and no more IE/Mac because of Safari.
It was cheesy - they cried "Apple is integrating the browser into the OS! No fair because we can't take advantage of that!" MS conveniently "forgot" that the browser != rendering engine.
And Adium doesn't consistently kick me off MSN after 5 minutes like MSN Messenger does. And Messenger 5 is nowhere even remotely close to feature-parity with the Window's version.
I hope messenger 5 is a good release - I actually prefer to use MSN messenger than Adium - something about that program doesn't sit right with me.mcarvin said:
Though of course the best thing would be iChat with integrated MSN!!
ITS ABOUT [expletive deleted] TIME!! i hate aduim, the one thing its supposed to do, it doesn't do correctyly, half the time i don't even recieve the messages that are sent to me, and also i get a ton of "unknown conversation error"' s i've been using MSN mac for a while now because of this, and i can't stand either of them, i'm starting to use teh phone more and more 
hob said:
dude, i dunno if you've seen this yet, but take a look at:
http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-through-jabber/
it's a bit of a pain in the ass to set up, but with tiger it's now do-able
the funny thing is, msn 7 for pc has now has MSN music store links on the name of the song that your buddy is listening to and shows your buddys display pic next to their screen name in the contact list.
now where have i seen that before
microsoft cannot borrow ideas form ichat have give hardly anything back to mac os x. apple need to start getting more patents.
now where have i seen that before
microsoft cannot borrow ideas form ichat have give hardly anything back to mac os x. apple need to start getting more patents.
asif786 said:dude, i dunno if you've seen this yet, but take a look at:
http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-through-jabber/
it's a bit of a pain in the ass to set up, but with tiger it's now do-able
Yeah but really, iChat in my opinion ...sucks. It has very little features, and it looks terrible. With a jabber account you are so limited, it basically allows you to chat and that is it, no video/audio. I just use Adium..i think it is really cool, and so customizable. But my bro still like to use MSN, so he will be happy about the new MSN 5.
We all wish this was the case, but practicalities get in the way:swissmann said:
Yahoo and MSN probably don't want to open their networks to Apple's iChat.
Open-source developers that have already solved this problem refuse to cooperate with Apple unless they open-source iChat, which Apple refuses to do for AOL's sake and their own.
Anyway, I've pretty much abandoned all chats other than iChat and IRC, so a new MSN Messenger release is of zero interest to me.
Oh really? You *do* know that Proteus' developer was hired by Apple, right? And I know for a fact that several other programmers on the current multi-protocol chat programs for OS X are *current* Apple employees (though, granted, most don't actually work in the iApps deptartment).wrldwzrd89 said:
Apple has the knowledge, the skill, and the man power, but they are not doing it for other reasons, whatever those may be.
No, I was not aware of any of that. Thanks for enlightening me, though! That being the case...I'm as stumped as you are.guifa said:
Both Yahoo and MSN IM for OSX has so far proven to be harshly scaled down versions of the Windows version, so why both at all. We will never get anything close to what Windows users get. I agree with previous posters that argued for making iChat compatible with the other services.
Can it really be that hard?
Can it really be that hard?
I don't use IM a lot, but when I do MSN suits my needs just fine. I'll be downloading this update once it is released and am looking forward to the new features.
MSN and Office are the only MS pieces of software I have on my Mac! (Hmm, and I think IE might still be kicking around in my Apps folder, never used it though...)
MSN and Office are the only MS pieces of software I have on my Mac! (Hmm, and I think IE might still be kicking around in my Apps folder, never used it though...)
Dr.Gargoyle said:
Unfortunately, it seems as though the mac versions of all the messenger clients are crap-tastic mini versions. Yahoo is a joke. MSN is dismal at best. And the only one I regularly use is AIM, which I had crash about 20 times in one week. Apple makes the widgets... the messenger developers shouldn't be.
So, here I am with Adium, that doesn't even direct connect.
ummmmmm.....thats cool and al that thye may port over version 5......buit arnt they on like version 7 or something......why do we get old technology?
