New iOS 17.5 Beta Lets EU iPhone Users Download Apps Directly From Websites

[tomtad]

So, just like a Mac then?

Not that hard is it

 

[contacos]

Never understood why Apple doesn’t just raise the annual developer fee if they r so desperate to make money. It’s still 99 bucks after how many years? Even the Big Mac has doubled in price since

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

My most scorchingly hot take on this-

If I can buy an iPhone and destroy it with a 4 lbs hammer then surely I should also be able to run any software I want on it even if it gets “ruined” by evil malware monsters lurking on the deepest and darkest of webs (who for no reason really care about destroying the life of some nobody like me. Sure, lol 🙄🤣).

How I treat my iPhone doesn’t impact Apple or any other iPhone owners who don’t want to turn their smartphones into “security nightmare”s.

I’m an adult (in the legal sense, maybe not otherwise), I bought this product, I own it, and therefore I must be allowed to use it any way I want.

It’s my iPhone, not Tim Apple’s!

 

[iObama]

Yeah it's a trash experience because there's barely anything on it. If that was the only option for where the apps could be downloaded from, that would be different. The fact that you don't see that having all these different places to get Mac apps is the REASON the Mac App Store is a trash experience is funny. Having to go to multiple different places and put my payment info into multiple different places to get everything I need to use, when it COULD all be in one place...THAT is a pretty trash experience. The app fragmentation is honestly the worst part of macOS. Bringing it to iOS is a major downgrade.

That's how computers have worked since the beginning. It's nothing new, it's nothing confusing.

I don't understand why you'd prefer the largest company in the world to have even more control over how you use the devices you pay for, but go off.

 

[iOS Geek]

I don't understand why you'd prefer the largest company in the world to have even more control over how you use the devices you pay for, but go off.

Maybe because I would prefer a simple, non-fragmented experience...instead of having to go to multiple different places to get everything I want/need, but go off. It's not difficult to get what I want/need from multiple places...but even so, it would be much better to be able to get it all in one place. The less steps to take, the less places I have to enter payment info, the better. If you can't understand that not everyone prefers the same thing YOU prefer...then I can't help you. That's your own problem to figure out. Millions of people bought into the Apple ecosystem knowing full well what the restrictions were and preferred it that way because it was simpler and they had to put in less "work" to set up and use the device. If they preferred a device WITHOUT such restrictions...they wouldn't have bought it and instead bought the device that allows basically everything you want. You wanted an open ecosystem. You had that with Android. Now, for those who wanted a closed one...that choice no longer exists.

 

[iObama]

Maybe because I would prefer a simple, non-fragmented experience...instead of having to go to multiple different places to get everything I want/need, but go off. It's not difficult to get what I want/need from multiple places...but even so, it would be much better to be able to get it all in one place. The less steps to take, the less places I have to enter payment info, the better. If you can't understand that not everyone prefers the same thing YOU prefer...then I can't help you. That's your own problem to figure out. Millions of people bought into the Apple ecosystem knowing full well what the restrictions were and preferred it that way because it was simpler and they had to put in less "work" to set up and use the device. If they preferred a device WITHOUT such restrictions...they wouldn't have bought it and instead bought the device that allows basically everything you want. You wanted an open ecosystem. You had that with Android. Now, for those who wanted a closed one...that choice no longer exists.

I don't have the energy to respond to paragraphs and sarcastic haha emojis. Agree to disagree; have a nice life lol.

 

[acgmph]

Does anyone know if this sideloading will trigger the same €0.50 fee for each install over 1M? If yes, then I don’t see a lot of apps available for this.

Also, curious to know if there’s a list with apps which will be available in this manner Day 1.

 

[Shirasaki]

Welcome to your security nightmare.

More like a security nightmare fantasy.

 

[Shirasaki]

Americans shouting from the rooftops “LAND OF THE FREE”, sure like to keep their freedom of choice as thin as possible 😂

And have a bunch of people working tirelessly so that more choices are removed by the day. 😝

 

[Shirasaki]

that's good for you and it would be close to perfect if everyone would follow your lead, but sadly they don't. solutions have to be able less experienced people. there's a huge gap.

Based on this, Apple should disable App Store entirely and offer a mode that only makes iPhone a phone and a camera, plus a few stock apps. No one can lose their data to data brokers since they are “protected by Apple”.

 

[svish]

Good to know. Only a matter of time before this functionality is available everywhere.

 

[ryan102]

There was a time the US model of an iPhone was preferable to that of other countries (not sure why).

Now the US model seems to be the most restricted compared with other nations.

The outside world has both ESIM & Sim Cards, the French models I believe still come with headphones, EU users now get a more open OS. For the most part, people outside the US don't seem to be complaining about what's going on.

Long may the changes continue.

 

[arian71]

can i use VPN from Engerland?

 

[MacTiki]

Every day we're closer to being able to install whatever apps we want and I'm really happy about it.

“Every day we’re closer to“ becoming a socialistic command economy.

Apple created and capitalized on a product and service in a way that brought them first to market.

They have reaped a huge income stream that others wish to swim in without paying admission to the beach or dock.

Governments should stay out of the private sector unless a company has broken an existing law such as intellectual property theft, extortion, bribery, etc…

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

“Every day we’re closer to“ becoming a socialistic command economy.

Apple created and capitalized on a product and service in a way that brought them first to market.

They have reaped a huge income stream that others wish to swim in without paying admission to the beach or dock.

Governments should stay out of the private sector unless a company has broken an existing law such as intellectual property theft, extortion, bribery, etc…

So busy lowering taxes and eliminating regulations for big tech and the 1%, that Americans forgot what drives innovation and prosperity and honors the true intentions of capitalism, fair competition.

Do you think Apple gets away with charging $999 for an iPhone Pro because that's a price that reflects how much Apple has spent on r&d and the parts that make up the product, or does the price reflect a market that suffers under abysmally low competition because five or so big corporations control what gets to reach the hands of consumers?

I guess when you've only ever gotten crumbs you eventually start to think that a morsel is an entire loaf.

The hubris of Apple perpetually avoiding direct comparisons with competing brands and resorting to the "best iPhone ever" tagline is loud and clear.

-"You're stuck in our maze of proprietary products/services. So this is the upgrades you're getting this year. And 'we think you're going to love it' because you have no other good options, unless you want to also partially or completely abandon all your apps, AirPods, Apple Watch, and iPad. That'll be $999."

 

[cocky jeremy]

Americans shouting from the rooftops “LAND OF THE FREE”, sure like to keep their freedom of choice as thin as possible 😂

Land of the free has nothing to do with what private companies do.

 

[MacTiki]

So busy lowering taxes and eliminating regulations for big tech and the 1%, that Americans forgot what drives innovation and prosperity and honors the true intentions of capitalism, fair competition.

Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

P R O F I T. period is "the true intentions of capitalism".

When it comes to business the word fair is only in the vocabulary of those who cannot keep up.

There is a huge difference between legal and fair.

Do you think Apple gets away with charging $999 for an iPhone Pro because that's a price that reflects how much Apple has spent on r&d and the parts that make up the product,

That price is inline with the concept of P R O F I T.

No one is forcing anyone to purchase an iPhone or any other smartphone for that matter.

or does the price reflect a market that suffers under abysmally low competition because five or so big corporations control what gets to reach the hands of consumers?

It reflects for better or worse a market that would rather spend $1000 on an iPhone and be locked into a 3 year contract that will total around $3000.00 then invest that $4000.00 into something that would actually improves their lives and maybe even the lives of those around them.

For consumers who feel P R O F I T is a problem then I suggest they to keep their hands in their pockets clasped tightly onto their money rather than shelling it out to Apple, Google, Samsung and the telcos.

I guess when you've only ever gotten crumbs you eventually start to think that a morsel is an entire loaf.

The hubris of Apple perpetually avoiding direct comparisons with competing brands and resorting to the "best iPhone ever" tagline is loud and clear.

-"You're stuck in our maze of proprietary products/services. So this is the upgrades you're getting this year. And 'we think you're going to love it' because you have no other good options, unless you want to also partially or completely abandon all your apps, AirPods, Apple Watch, and iPad. That'll be $999."

It's called freewill I suggest people become reacquainted with it.

 

[MacTiki]

That's how computers have worked since the beginning. It's nothing new, it's nothing confusing.

I don't understand why you'd prefer the largest company in the world to have even more control over how you use the devices you pay for, but go off.

The iPhone from the beginning is a locked down walled off device running proprietary firmware and software.

It is a combination of first to market product and service along with a marketing war machine that enabled Apple to become the company it is today.

Apple and it's share holders continue to ride the wave that Steve created when he launched the iPhone.

If it were not for the iPhone AT&T would have likely suffered the same fate as Nextel and Sprint.

That's how computers have worked since the beginning. It's nothing new, it's nothing confusing.

Unfortunately macOS is morphing into iOS and will soon turn Mac hardware into appliances. What is worse is that software applications are transitioning from one time purchase to a subscription based model.

 

[AiPone12mini]

This news is the "cherry on top of buffet" why sideloading is must have and i repeated lot of times that sideloading is best defense against this. CCP tells and Apple bows. People who oppose sideloading start to think other way if similar ban happens to them and to their dear app. I would do Apple things i cannot mention here if they would pull Telegram from my location as it is my primary communication app and is fastest of every other app because it is not written in bloated languages like Nodejs or Electron horror.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...m-app-store-in-china-following-order.2424517/

 

[DanTheMan827]

How in the world is this compliant?!

Apple is still literally gatekeeping who can and can’t distribute apps…