New PowerMac G5s and PowerBook HD at NAB?

[quta]

If you want a consumer OS, you can get an HP xw9300 with Linux or Windows and 16GB of memory. (From Sun only Solaris or Linux).

You can buy an Xserve from Apple with 16 GB of ram. Once Tiger is out, you'd have full use of all 16 GB's (see http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/64bit.html; Tiger has a 64-bit address space and the G5 allows up to 42-bits of physical memory, which equals 16 Exabytes of address space and 4 Terabytes of physical ram... in a consumer OS). Even under Panther, you get substantial benefit from 16 GB of ram, since each application running can use a different 4 GB chunk of ram.

 

[Demon Hunter]

You can buy an Xserve from Apple with 16 GB of ram. Once Tiger is out, you'd have full use of all 16 GB's (see http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/64bit.html; Tiger has a 64-bit address space and the G5 allows up to 42-bits of physical memory, which equals 16 Exabytes of address space and 4 Terabytes of physical ram... in a consumer OS). Even under Panther, you get substantial benefit from 16 GB of ram, since each application running can use a different 4 GB chunk of ram.

So does that mean Tiger will address all RAM more efficiently, or just in those extreme cases where it's over 4 GB?

 

[cube]

You can buy an Xserve from Apple with 16 GB of ram. Once Tiger is out, you'd have full use of all 16 GB's

With the Xserve, you can only use a PCI graphics card. That hardly qualifies as a desktop machine.

You can get 1U quad Opteron Windows, Linux servers with 32GB of RAM. (1 PCI-X slot)

 

[quta]

So does that mean Tiger will address all RAM more efficiently, or just in those extreme cases where it's over 4 GB?

Panther currently allows only 32-bit addresses for individual applications. This means that any one program can only use 4 GB of memory. Separate applications could use different 4 GB chunks, but you cannot, for example, load a 6 GB file into memory even if you have 6 GB of ram.

Under Tiger, individual command-line applications will be able to use 64-bit addresses, meaning each application could use up to 16 Exabytes (exabyte is about one billion billion) of memory. The G5 currently cannot use more than 4 Terabytes of actual physical RAM, though.

So in some sense Tiger will use ram more efficiently, because programmers of command-line applications won't have to resort to kludges to work around the 4 GB barrier. Many of you are probably thinking "Who needs more than 4 GB?", but believe me, plenty of people do - especially in scientific computing and related fields. Most of the code I write is command-line only, since it is focused on doing massive computations; the GUI is usually a separate application that doesn't need to address more than 4 GB.

 

[cube]

So in some sense Tiger will use ram more efficiently, because programmers of command-line applications won't have to resort to kludges to work around the 4 GB barrier.

I remember using Turbo Pascal overlays to overcome the 64K memory limit.

 

[xrgx26a]

PowerBook G5 Announced!

Apple Introduces PowerBook G5
World's Most Powerful Notebook Computer Ever Starts at Just $1599

1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino—April 1, 2005—Apple® today introduced
PowerBook G5®, the world's most powerful notebook computer ever.
Starting at just $1599, the PowerBook G5 is the ideal portable
computer for on the go professionals who demand the ultimate in mobile
computing performance. Shipping with Mac OS® X v10.4 "Tiger" and
featuring iLife® '05, the latest version of Apple's innovative suite
of software for managing digital photo and music collections, editing
movies and creating music. Just one-inch thick and weighing only 4.5
pounds (12 inch configuration), PowerBook G5 redefines the design
standard for the mobile computing market.

Every PowerBook G5 includes iLife '05, which was introduced at MacWord
San Francisco 2005, and is the must-have upgrade to Apple's
award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications with major new
versions of iPhoto™, iMovie®, iDVD® and GarageBand™. iLife '05 also
features the latest version of iTunes®, the world's best digital music
jukebox software which includes the iTunes Music Store, the world's
number one online music store.

PowerBook G5 offers the processing and graphics performance to take
advantage of demanding professional applications with either a 2.0 GHz
or 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and Mobile ATI Radeon 9600/9800
graphics with 64/128MB of dedicated DDR memory. All three models come
with a slot-load SuperDrive for watching DVD movies and burning DVDs,
and up to a 100GB hard drive for storing digital media creations.

Pricing & Availability

PowerBook G5 will be available in the US on Saturday, May 7 and
worldwide on Saturday, May 14 through the Apple Store®
(http://www.apple.com), Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers
in three standard configurations.

PowerBook G5 includes one FireWire® 800 (FireWire 400 adapter
included) and two USB 2.0 ports for easy plug-and-play connections to
popular peripherals such as Apple's market-leading iPod® digital music
player, digital still cameras, digital video camcorders and printers.
PowerBook G5 offers a DVI interface that also supports VGA so
customers can easily connect to a variety of LCD or CRT displays. The
new PowerBook G5 includes built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet and a
56K V.92 modem for easy Internet access, and offers optional support
for an AirPort® Extreme Card for 54 Mbps 802.11g fast wireless
networking* along with an internal Bluetooth module for the latest in
wireless communications.

Mac OS X version 10.4 "Tiger" is pre-installed on every PowerBook G5
and delivers breakthrough features including iChat AV desktop video
conferencing, Mail, Safari web browser, Sherlock®, Address Book,
QuickTime®, iSync, iCal®, DVD Player and the Classic environment.
PowerBook G5 also comes with a collection of outstanding productivity
and entertainment titles designed to meet the needs of the entire
family, including Quicken 2005 for Mac, Nanosaur 2 and MarbleBlast
Gold.

The 12 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$1599 (US), includes:

* 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 2GB;

* 60GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9600 graphics processor with 64MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter;

* Built-in speaker and headphone/line out.

The 15.4 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$1999 (US), includes:

* 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;

* 80GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9800 graphics processor with 128MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter

* Built-in line in, speaker and headphone/line out.

The 17 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$2799 (US), includes:

* 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;

* 80GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9800 graphics processor with 128MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter

* Built-in line in, speaker and headphone/line out.

Build-to-order options and accessories include up to 4 GB of RAM,
ComboDrive™ (DVD-ROM/CD-RW), AirPort Extreme Card, internal Bluetooth
module, wired or wireless Apple Keyboard and Apple Mouse and the
AppleCare Protection Plan.

PowerBook G5 is also available to education customers in the US and
Canada through the Apple Store for Education at
http://www.apple.com/education/store or by calling an Apple education sales
representative at 800-800-APPL.

*Actual speed will vary based on range from the base station,
environmental conditions and other factors.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the
Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the
Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation
with its award-winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating
system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also
spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music
players and iTunes online music store.

Press Contacts:
Quip Silverman
Apple
(408) 974-1984
qsilver@apple.com

Ian Bookman
Apple
(408) 974-6800
ibookman@apple.com

NOTE TO EDITORS: For additional information visit Apple's PR website,
or call Apple's Media Helpline at (408) 974-2042.

NOTE TO INVESTORS: This release contains forward looking information
that is subject to change and should not relied upon as investment
advice. Your experience with the Jobs' Reality Distortion Field may
vary from that of others. There are no warranties expressed or
implied with regard to the information contained above.

Apple, the Apple logo, Macintosh, PowerBook, G5, Mac, Mac OS, iLife,
iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, iTunes, FireWire, iPod, Sherlock,
QuickTime, iCal, Apple Store, ComboDrive and SuperDrive are either
registered trademarks or trademarks of Apple. Other company and
product names may be trademarks of their respective owners.

 

[jakemikey]

Apple Introduces PowerBook G5
World's Most Powerful Notebook Computer Ever Starts at Just $1599

1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino—April 1, 2005—Apple® today introduced
PowerBook G5®, the world's most powerful notebook computer ever.
Starting at just $1599, the PowerBook G5 is the ideal portable
computer for on the go professionals who demand the ultimate in mobile
computing performance. Shipping with Mac OS® X v10.4 "Tiger" and
featuring iLife® '05, the latest version of Apple's innovative suite
of software for managing digital photo and music collections, editing
movies and creating music. Just one-inch thick and weighing only 4.5
pounds (12 inch configuration), PowerBook G5 redefines the design
standard for the mobile computing market.

Every PowerBook G5 includes iLife '05, which was introduced at MacWord
San Francisco 2005, and is the must-have upgrade to Apple's
award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications with major new
versions of iPhoto™, iMovie®, iDVD® and GarageBand™. iLife '05 also
features the latest version of iTunes®, the world's best digital music
jukebox software which includes the iTunes Music Store, the world's
number one online music store.

PowerBook G5 offers the processing and graphics performance to take
advantage of demanding professional applications with either a 2.0 GHz
or 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and Mobile ATI Radeon 9600/9800
graphics with 64/128MB of dedicated DDR memory. All three models come
with a slot-load SuperDrive for watching DVD movies and burning DVDs,
and up to a 100GB hard drive for storing digital media creations.

Pricing & Availability

PowerBook G5 will be available in the US on Saturday, May 7 and
worldwide on Saturday, May 14 through the Apple Store®
(http://www.apple.com), Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers
in three standard configurations.

PowerBook G5 includes one FireWire® 800 (FireWire 400 adapter
included) and two USB 2.0 ports for easy plug-and-play connections to
popular peripherals such as Apple's market-leading iPod® digital music
player, digital still cameras, digital video camcorders and printers.
PowerBook G5 offers a DVI interface that also supports VGA so
customers can easily connect to a variety of LCD or CRT displays. The
new PowerBook G5 includes built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet and a
56K V.92 modem for easy Internet access, and offers optional support
for an AirPort® Extreme Card for 54 Mbps 802.11g fast wireless
networking* along with an internal Bluetooth module for the latest in
wireless communications.

Mac OS X version 10.4 "Tiger" is pre-installed on every PowerBook G5
and delivers breakthrough features including iChat AV desktop video
conferencing, Mail, Safari web browser, Sherlock®, Address Book,
QuickTime®, iSync, iCal®, DVD Player and the Classic environment.
PowerBook G5 also comes with a collection of outstanding productivity
and entertainment titles designed to meet the needs of the entire
family, including Quicken 2005 for Mac, Nanosaur 2 and MarbleBlast
Gold.

The 12 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$1599 (US), includes:

* 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 2GB;

* 60GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9600 graphics processor with 64MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter;

* Built-in speaker and headphone/line out.

The 15.4 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$1999 (US), includes:

* 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;

* 80GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9800 graphics processor with 128MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter

* Built-in line in, speaker and headphone/line out.

The 17 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$2799 (US), includes:

* 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 512MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 4GB;

* 80GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9800 graphics processor with 128MB video memory;

* One FireWire 800 and two USB 2.0 ports;

* 10/100/1000 BASE-T Ethernet networking and 56K V.92 modem;

* AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;

* DVI or VGA out (adapter included), composite/S-video out with
optional adapter

* Built-in line in, speaker and headphone/line out.

Build-to-order options and accessories include up to 4 GB of RAM,
ComboDrive™ (DVD-ROM/CD-RW), AirPort Extreme Card, internal Bluetooth
module, wired or wireless Apple Keyboard and Apple Mouse and the
AppleCare Protection Plan.

PowerBook G5 is also available to education customers in the US and
Canada through the Apple Store for Education at
http://www.apple.com/education/store or by calling an Apple education sales
representative at 800-800-APPL.

*Actual speed will vary based on range from the base station,
environmental conditions and other factors.

Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the
Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the
Macintosh. Today, Apple continues to lead the industry in innovation
with its award-winning desktop and notebook computers, OS X operating
system, and iLife and professional applications. Apple is also
spearheading the digital music revolution with its iPod portable music
players and iTunes online music store.

Press Contacts:
Quip Silverman
Apple
(408) 974-1984
qsilver@apple.com

Ian Bookman
Apple
(408) 974-6800
ibookman@apple.com

NOTE TO EDITORS: For additional information visit Apple's PR website,
or call Apple's Media Helpline at (408) 974-2042.

NOTE TO INVESTORS: This release contains forward looking information
that is subject to change and should not relied upon as investment
advice. Your experience with the Jobs' Reality Distortion Field may
vary from that of others. There are no warranties expressed or
implied with regard to the information contained above.

Apple, the Apple logo, Macintosh, PowerBook, G5, Mac, Mac OS, iLife,
iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD, GarageBand, iTunes, FireWire, iPod, Sherlock,
QuickTime, iCal, Apple Store, ComboDrive and SuperDrive are either
registered trademarks or trademarks of Apple. Other company and
product names may be trademarks of their respective owners.

Good grief!!! How long did it take you to write all that??!! Now that's devotion to a prank.

 

[Frobozz]

can this information be accurate? i remember that i once bought four 4MB SIMM modules for 750 euros and that was in 80486-era, 1994 or something... i would say 16MB module wasn't for sale in 80's, at least not for general public, and that in the 80's the memory modules tend to be SIPP style.

addition: it seems that first SIMM modules were introduced in 1986 and were 256kb in size...

It's for real. It was in the 80's. Though I will admit I could have been off on the '87 or 88' Could have been 89 or something. This link shows how much a IIcx could hold: a whoppin 128 megs of RAM:

http://www.computer-dictionary-online.org/?q=Macintosh IIcx

 

[Frobozz]

No way did the Amiga have a 32GB ram disk. 32MB maybe...

He was just kidding...

I replied to that post. It was like a 512 to 2 meg RAM disk that I used.

 

[dvdh]

. . . .
The 12 inch 2.0 GHz PowerBook G5, for a suggested retail price of
$1599 (US), includes:

* 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5 processor;

* 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM, expandable to 2GB;

* 60GB Ultra ATA hard drive;

* Superdrive (DVD±RW/CD±RW) optical drive;

* Mobile ATI Radeon 9600 graphics processor with 64MB video memory;

With only 256MB of Ram and a Radeon 9600, it's almost believable . . . Nice try, and *WOW*, you have too much free time.

 

[nek]

What's the chance Apple might upgrade the type of memory inside the G5? Looking back at the previous G5 which used PC2700 Ram, and now, PC3200, do you think they'll upgrade to the next best thing? What would be the next best thing? Just wondering, because I ordered 1 gigabyte of cheap PC3200(Kingmax CS2.5, apparently this isn't supposed to work with any G5's?) before I heard about this rumor. Now, I am thinking it was a ridiculous purchase...

Any input would be appreciated... thanks

It seems likely to me that they will move to faster RAM in the next Power Macs, PC4200 (533MHz) or PC5400 (667MHz). Since PC5400 doesn't seem to be much more expensive than PC3200, that may be what Apple moves to.
I don't know anything about whether Kingmax RAM works in G5s.

 

[Eastend]

Apple Introduces PowerBook G5

Unbelievable and Remarkable.

Brian

 

[748s]

Doubtful. About the only market SGI has left these days is the supercomputer market...................

still a lot of production houses using inferno, flame, flint, fire, smoke etc. on sgi boxes. a decent sized niche market for apple to take. rumours of a new apple pro video app at nab, could be only a rumour, could be an app to challenge discreet (now known as autodesk). if the rumours of the new G5 become reality, combined with the new app, it will be the box that takes sgi's market in pro film/video.

 

[illumin8]

Some of the specs sound believable, but the inclusion of the blu-ray burner makes me very skeptical of the whole thing. This topic seems very much like last year's "tip" before WWDC from some French rumor site -- a lot of people were totally believing it and salivating over it, but it was nothing more than an ueber-geek's wish list. They predicted dual 3 GHz, PCI-Express, dual-layer DVD drives, etc. It was (obviously) completely bogus.

Anyway, here's why we won't see blu-ray drives:

-Blu-Ray themselves haven't finalized the standard...see recent articles about their thoughts on reaching a compromise format with HD-DVD.
-Apple hasn't even outfitted ANY Mac with a dual layer drive yet...and those are all over the place.
-People keep comparing blu-ray with the original superdrive...there's one important difference, people! When the superdrive came out, DVD players had been around for several years..there are no consumer blu-ray players out there! and no content!

Anyway, blu-ray by itself tells me that this is no more than another geek's wish list.

Actually, Blu-Ray burners are not too far away: Check this out:

Blu-Ray Burners available 2H 2005
Pictures of Pioneer's new Blu-Ray burner

Based on the fact that Pioneer has sourced Superdrives for Apple in the past, and the fact that Pioneer claims it will be available in the "second half of 2005" (I'm sure any new PowerMacs announced in April won't be shipping until late summer some time), and the fact that the guy from Pioneer hinted that they wouldn't be exorbitantly priced, the Blu-Ray rumor is probably the most likely part of this rumor.

Just thought I'd clear that up... Oh yeah, and if the dual/quad/whatevercrazynumberofcores PM 3.0s come out, I'm buying one...

 

[cube]

if the rumours of the new G5 become reality, combined with the new app, it will be the box that takes sgi's market in pro film/video.

Mac graphics cards only do 24-bit color (forget about Kona, the software and graphics engine still work in 24-bit).

 

[fpnc]

Actually, Blu-Ray burners are not too far away...(I'm sure any new PowerMacs announced in April won't be shipping until late summer some time), and the fact that the guy from Pioneer hinted that they wouldn't be exorbitantly priced, the Blu-Ray rumor is probably the most likely part of this rumor...

Apple would not announce a new and radically updated Power Mac in April with the intention of waiting until "late summer" to actually ship. That would "kill" nearly every potential Power Mac sale for several months (Stop Power Mac sales between April and late summer? Apple will not allow that to happen.). However, I suppose they could announce and ship the new Power Mac in or around April with the mention that Blu-Ray drives would become available in the second half of the year (but why would they even do that?). But, that is not what this rumor suggests. So, I'd say that this NAB rumor is obviously untrue if Blu-Ray is supposed to be part of the release.

 

[hob]

I'd say that the NAB bit is the only believable bit of the story - the rest is totally unsure, but I would be surprised if Apple don't release PowerMac's a NAB - I'll be waiting to buy one!

 

[whenpaulsparks]

apple won't change the DPI of their precious LCDs. i label the Powerbook HD rumor bogus.

the powermac g5 rumor sounds credible, albeit not practical. i doubt apple will put bluray in their powermacs until late this year, and then i dont see it being a burner.

 

[Platform]

apple won't change the DPI of their precious LCDs. i label the Powerbook HD rumor bogus.

the powermac g5 rumor sounds credible, albeit not practical. i doubt apple will put bluray in their powermacs until late this year, and then i dont see it being a burner.

But it kind of needs to be a burner, becasue then we would REALLY be able to take advantage of it, not just have a film or something on it

 

[adamjay]

No operating system to this day can use 32 megs.

..........

God I hope I'm wrong!!!

well considering my video card has 64MB and 512MB system memory i'm pretty sure ALL currently available operating systems can use 32 megs.

 

[~loserman~]

I hope the PowerBook updates are true.
I further hope they will sport the dual core Freescale chip.
One can always dream.

 

[~loserman~]

It seems likely to me that they will move to faster RAM in the next Power Macs, PC4200 (533MHz) or PC5400 (667MHz). Since PC5400 doesn't seem to be much more expensive than PC3200, that may be what Apple moves to.
I don't know anything about whether Kingmax RAM works in G5s.

I doubt very seriously whether Apple will move to faster than PC4200.

PC4200 is the fastest ram available as ECC right now, and I doubt whether they will use faster ram in their desktops over what they are able to use in their Xserves.

 

[cgc]

Resolution-independent is another term I've heard more frequently but it's a result/implementation thing - same difference.

Roughly, instead of the menubar being 32 pixels high, it's 5% of the screen height.

So on a 1024x768 display it's still 32 pixels high.

However, if you have a display that's 10240x7680 (notice the extra 0's) on a 21" display you don't wind up with a menubar that's 2 millimeters high, you wind up with a menubar that's still a centimeter high on your display but has laser-printer quality fonts.

[note: rough approximations on the math]

This is nothing new to the computer industry. GUIs that can resize themselves is normal except for mac. Am I missing something? BTW, we have it on my old Amigas (100, 500, and 3000) and Windows has it as well.

 

[wobo63]

apple won't change the DPI of their precious LCDs. i label the Powerbook HD rumor bogus.

Presently I own a DELL Laptop with 15" and 1900x1200.

I had a Powerbook 17" and sold it because of the low resolution. 1400x990 is not state of the art anymore (Sony, DELL, HP, ... offer more) and I have no clue why Apple is not doing anything.

The display of my DELL is great. Unfortunately it runs Windows only.

The moment Apple offers me WUXGA resolution I will place an order.

 

[F/reW/re]

This is nothing new to the computer industry. GUIs that can resize themselves is normal except for mac. Am I missing something? BTW, we have it on my old Amigas (100, 500, and 3000) and Windows has it as well.

Jepp, Mac is the slow one on this. But it shure looks better