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Privacy Whistleblower Edward Snowden and EFF Slam Apple's Plans to Scan Messages and iCloud Images
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I think you don't understand. Being seen by human eyes is not required for privacy to be violated. Simply having knowledge of photos "flagged" by an algorithm is the privacy violation. It's not dependent on what a person sees with their eyes. The privacy violation is the electronic scan.
The questions don't get asked until the government is caught doing something shady with the tech. Case in point: Snowden.
I don't have a problem with this current use of the technology, however I do have issue with it's future if any government agency (globally) decides to tweaks its version of a <insert dot org here> database and broaden the parameters to persecute potential dissidents or social undesirables.
This Genie is not going back in the bottle anytime soon. It will be interesting to see how/if Apple (and others) say no to any government that desires this feature for their own "humanitarian reasons".
Snowden and the EFF protecting the rights of peadophiles
Agree. People wanted to move the topic all over the place. Thanks for agreeing with me. Let’s keep the discussion to the topic of the article.
Like most PRSI centric topics, people are commenting on the potential ramifications as is the rest of the internet. There is no problem with what you’re doing or what they are doing, but understand that most will be focusing on the arguably more important consequential topic which you continuously throw strawman arguments at.
I think no one is really discussing CSAM as it is because most agree with the purpose. The larger picture (aka big elephant in the room) is more critical to discuss because Apple’s messaging/how appears to contradict what users expect out of a “privacy” oriented company.
In fascist states it usually is a crime to fight for your rights.
Bad thing if those governments found a way to abuse apples probably good intentions.
Who's to say that the government wont add hashes to the database that are not CSAM? What if a few months later the government inserts something unrelated to the database because they are looking for a group of people, items, phrases etc... And all because Apple has decided to play cop.
No stats. I didn’t look up the stats. I really don’t care about the stats. I care about corporations, and ultimately, the government chipping away at our civil liberties.
Correct.
A privacy oriented company that has to follow the law. As I said in another thread, the president will not sign an executive order prohibiting this. (It would be nice if congress were are rigorous about this as the app store) However, the way the company handles your PII has not changed.
True. We should air our concerns if want to, however.
I don't want any of my phone's processing power and memory going to this fool's errand. Again, as I noted in my previous post this will just spark an arms race between the pedophiles and Apple's system that will cause a proliferation of templates.
The fact that Google is doing this and the PRC is interested doesn't inspire confidence. It increases my concern. A paper was published a while ago that apparently described machine-based facial recognition of the various ethnic groups in the PRC, including the Uyghurs. Do you not see how dangerous this is? It's not f(x) but d(x).
How low? Apple doesn't say. Moreover, again this will trigger somebody at Apple looking at your photo's that are above threshold, and my guess is that one of the features the templates will home in on is bare skin. No doubt Apple will get applications from pervs and pedophiles to review the pictures....
First. Apple has not been transparent about false positive rates because my best guess is that they don't know. And what happens if Apple concludes that a picture is a false positive after human review? Do they alert you and say 'hey, we decided it would be in your best interest to review your personal photos without your knowledge or consent. Nice bikini.'
It is already part of the T&C's that user not use iCloud for illegal content. Apple is engaging in this nonsense anyway, as though we are all guilty. Currently Apple provides information to law enforcement to the extent it must. That is not the same as rummaging through our pictures without probable cause.
If I wanted to use Google or Facebook, I would, but I don't for precisely the reasons you state above. I do not like surveillance capitalism, and I like Orwellian move on Apple's part even less. Can you imagine the field day Apple's competitors are going to have spoofing Apple's 1984 Superbowl Mac commercial? Can you?
They are the current parameters for the USA. There is nothing whatsoever to prevent those parameters being expanded upon and the quality of the matches being made more fuzzy on a country by country basis.
So you just care about making blanket statements that are grounded in opinion and passing them off as facts? The kids table is to the left. Adults are having dialogue here.
You must be a troll, so you're not worth even responding to, but the people fighting for privacy are not pedophlies nor CP owners. I believe none of the members of this forum has ever owned CP. It's more about the privacy and Apple's privacy promises which I got sucked into.
This could (and will) go wrong in so many ways. Also, I believe CP producers don't use smartphones or cloud.
I don’t think I ever stated anything I said was fact. Maybe you are having too many adult drinks, or maybe your adult eyesight is poor.
Maybe you are the kind of person who drives without a jack and spare tire ? Or don't bother with insurance policies becuase "it'll never happen".
In this case though it's not "if", it's an inevitable "when". You should try taking off those rose colored glasses once in a while.
A person using iCloud Photos on Apple servers has no inherent rights. Said person has obligations that he or she agreed to when using the service. Apple also has obligations to carry out service and operations as outlined in the agreement between them and the user of said service.
Noting that there is potential for abuse with this new system does not equate to protecting pedophiles.
And it should be noted that even Apple wouldn't know if that were the case.
They can't see what's in the database
And when those images get flagged and Apple reviews those images and sees that they have nothing to do with child pornography, Apple won’t do anything with that information, and the government gets nothing.
Many in here are of the opinion governments will not get involved. Anyone remember the recent events surrounding Microsofts Bing search engine and the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square protests? where at the time if you was to put the search term 'Tank Man' into Bing, you'd get no results or just errors. Microsoft said it was human error and the matter was resolved quickly. How ironic is it that days prior it was working OK but on the actual day of the anniversary, the search term gets blocked!!. Microsoft Bing has much more freedom than Google does in China and therefore it has been claimed that China put undue influence on Microsoft to block the term 'Tank Man' so no one around the world would be able to see images of that incident. Yes there has been no actual proof the Chinese government influenced Microsoft but the allegations were there.
Note: Tank Man refers to an iconic image of a man standing infront of tank during the Tiananmen Square protests.
Note: Tank Man refers to an iconic image of a man standing infront of tank during the Tiananmen Square protests.
No one has an issue with protecting children or holding people accountable. The pushback is that you let this one thing go unopposed it gives them license to keep stripping away your privacy and freedoms. This is like saying, "Well people drive unlicensed, that's illegal, so we are going to mandate that all cars have facial scanners and you'll have to swipe your license card before you can drive a car." There has never been something like this implemented, in history, that didn't lead to more of it happening later and it getting more oppressive and draconian. Shrugging your shoulders just means you're OK with that future.
It isn't Apples or any companies job to be an arm of any law enforcement. Their job is to create products that people want. If in the future your government oppresses you more and draws up laws making companies do these things that is one thing, but you should be very concerned when a company volunteers it.