Resolved RAM Usage, Swap Files, SSD Degradation...

[Droid13]

There have been a lot of posts on the above subject scattered throughout the Apple Silicon, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro fora and so I decided to delve deeper into the close to 9-year-old 512GB SSD of my heavily used MacBook Pro that has 16GB RAM.

So far I have established that at a typical time when I am working (Safari with twelve tabs open, one VMWare Horizon session, Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Outlook, Apple Mail, Apple Music) I get the following memory stats from iSTAT:

PRESSURE
Memory Pressure 25%
Memory 62%
App Memory 6.97GB
Wired 2.40GB
Compressed 1.63GB
Cache 4.90GB

MEMORY
Wired 2.40GB
Active 5.94GB
Compressed 1.63GB
Free 6.03GB

SWAP MEMORY
0KB of 0KB

What can I do to formally assess SSD status beyond SMART status and "I don't think there is a problem"?

I suspect my SSD will not have experienced huge amounts of Read/Write activity given there doesn't appear to be any swapping going on.

 

[Fishrrman]

This is how I reduce the problem of "excessive swapping" on drives:

1. TURN OFF virtual memory disk swapping using terminal. I've done it on my Macs for a while now, works great, and NEVER have had a memory-related crash.
However, you must have sufficient RAM for the OS to "live in the physical RAM", AND, you must take care not to overload the physical RAM with too many apps or tabs open (I don't use tabbed browsing ... AT ALL).

2. TURN OFF Spotlight indexing. I've done this on EVERY Mac I use since Spotlight was introduced years ago. I don't want constant indexing or SL messing with my drives. Works fine for me. I have other ways to search when needed.

Just checked using activity monitor:

 

[Droid13]

This is how I reduce the problem of "excessive swapping" on drives:

1. TURN OFF virtual memory disk swapping using terminal. I've done it on my Macs for a while now, works great, and NEVER have had a memory-related crash.
However, you must have sufficient RAM for the OS to "live in the physical RAM", AND, you must take care not to overload the physical RAM with too many apps or tabs open (I don't use tabbed browsing ... AT ALL).

2. TURN OFF Spotlight indexing. I've done this on EVERY Mac I use since Spotlight was introduced years ago. I don't want constant indexing or SL messing with my drives. Works fine for me. I have other ways to search when needed.

Just checked using activity monitor:
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I saw your advice on one of the other threads and I think I can give it a go and see - from what I can see I need about 10GB for my OS / what I do and I have 16GB. Having said that with my current setup I seem to have squeezed close to nine years from this SSD.

What I was wondering is whether there is a tool that I can use to actually assess "age" or wear on the SSD? I am curious to see the impact of different ways of doing things.

 

[Slartibart]

there is nothing to gain to turn out swap - all engineers on whatever platform will tell and show you that almost all pagefile operations are small random reads or larger sequential writes, both of which are types of operations that SSDs handle well.

Yes, there is a problem when you are confronted with a bug resulting in excessive writing to the SSD - but “don't swap if you can help it", is misleading, at least for MacOS (as well as Windows and for Linux probably too). MacOS, particular recent versions, will always try to fill up RAM with cached data that it thinks is going to be needed quickly, and will deliberately swap other stuff to disk. It does this irrespective of how much RAM you have. Disabling swapping is a bad idea too, because some programs can require huge amounts of memory reserved for them (think e.g. Photoshop), and you can easily get high memory pressure and "out of memory" messages. It depends on usage, but swapping is always useful to have for extreme situations.

 

[jav6454]

SSDs on Macs are well built to provide beyond 150TBW. I doubt a few small Swap files will affect you to reach such degradations.

 

[jz0309]

Your best peace of mind will be to get AC+, that is if you’re still eligible…

 

[Droid13]

Your best peace of mind will be to get AC+, that is if you’re still eligible…

Oh we are coming up on nine years down the line with no demonstrable problems with the SSD. I just wanted to know if there was any software that could quantify SSD wear is all.

 

[jz0309]

Oh we are coming up on nine years down the line with no demonstrable problems with the SSD. I just wanted to know if there was any software that could quantify SSD wear is all.

9 years is a good run ... just make sure you have backups

 

[HDFan]

What can I do to formally assess SSD status beyond SMART status and "I don't think there is a problem"?

Not sure what smart status you are looking at. DriveDX might give you what you are looking for. An aging HD shows:



for my new boot SSD DriveDX give some additional information:

 

[jav6454]

Not sure what smart status you are looking at. DriveDX might give you what you are looking for. An aging HD shows:

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for my new boot SSD DriveDX give some additional information:

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Which app did you use to get info on the internal SSD?

 

[MacCheetah3]

I just wanted to know if there was any software that could quantify SSD wear is all.

Not sure what smart status you are looking at. DriveDX might give you what you are looking for.

I too recommend DriveDx:

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@jav6454 /\

for my new boot SSD DriveDX give some additional information:

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By “new” you mean you recently made it a boot drive? Or is the drive “new” as in low age?

I realize even with plenty of RAM some workflows, such as video editing/production, require a lot of storage I/O. However, that usage looks mighty intimidating to my M1’s 8.2 TBW.
😯

 

[Droid13]

I will give DriveDx a go. Thanks.

 

[HDFan]

By “new” you mean you recently made it a boot drive? Or is the drive “new” as in low age?

Low age as just got a Mac Studio.

 

[Droid13]

Not sure what smart status you are looking at. DriveDX might give you what you are looking for. An aging HD shows:

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for my new boot SSD DriveDX give some additional information:

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I have run DriveDx on the close to nine-year-old SSD in my MBP. The overall health and performance ratings are at 100%.

Other notes with percent remaining where available:

Wear Levelling Count - 87%
Host Reads - 37.7TB (99%)
Host Writes - 55TB (99%)

Power On Hours - 6,759 (98%)
Power Cycle Count is 21,680 (78%)
Unsafe Shutdown Count - 1,096 (99%)

Everything else is good; no adverse findings.

 

[rpmurray]

Power On Hours - 6,759 (98%)
Power Cycle Count is 21,680 (78%)
Unsafe Shutdown Count - 1,096 (99%)

Almost one unsafe shutdown for every six hours of usage. How did you manage that?

 

[Droid13]

Almost one unsafe shutdown for every six hours of usage. How did you manage that?

I do not know.

There have certainly been moments in the past when I have thought the machine had died (cyclical restarting and crashing) but that was rare and short-lived.

More recently the battery life has been poor (79% health, real-world battery life just under three hours) and it has not infrequently died without warning. Or while in sleep mode en route somewhere.

One unsafe shutdown every six hours is mental.

 

[MacCheetah3]

Almost one unsafe shutdown for every six hours of usage. How did you manage that?

I do not know.

There have certainly been moments in the past when I have thought the machine had died (cyclical restarting and crashing) but that was rare and short-lived.

More recently the battery life has been poor (79% health, real-world battery life just under three hours) and it has not infrequently died without warning. Or while in sleep mode en route somewhere.

One unsafe shutdown every six hours is mental.

My M1’s SSD supposedly had 11 of these unsafe shutdowns. However, I have no recollection of power outages, crashes, or forced system shutdowns.

Unfortunately, the built-in help was not insightful enough.

#13 Unsafe Shutdowns

Contains the number of unsafe shutdowns of the SSD. This count is incremented when a shutdown notification (CC.SHN) is not received by the SSD controller prior to the loss of power.

Therefore, I went Web searching and found a Reddit thread:

It probably means shutdowns while mounted, or while data was cached for writing but not committed, something like that. I think it's separate from the issue of overall device health.

Maybe, as this is smart info, it's probably referring to poweroff without waiting for the last flush to complete. Basically the shutdown was too quick. I would shutdown a few times and see if it increments, if not I wouldn't worry, if it is you may need to do something to give the drive more time at shutdown.

With that speculation, I wonder if “[app_name] prevented shut down” or general housekeeping (e.g. Spotlight indexing) could also potentially cause this scenario.

P.S. If you hover/click on the raw value, one of the details is Last Modified (essentially, the most recent occurrence).
— Mine says the last was back in December of 2021.

 

[saudor]

This is how I reduce the problem of "excessive swapping" on drives:

1. TURN OFF virtual memory disk swapping using terminal. I've done it on my Macs for a while now, works great, and NEVER have had a memory-related crash.
However, you must have sufficient RAM for the OS to "live in the physical RAM", AND, you must take care not to overload the physical RAM with too many apps or tabs open (I don't use tabbed browsing ... AT ALL).

I'd be careful about this. Some apps can behave weird when there is no swap file. For light usage, I find the swap file is never/rarely touched anyways (since the introduction of memory compression in mavericks). The system will crash if there is even a temporary spike in RAM usage if there is no swap file. For the lolz I disabled the swap file and the system crashed at ~20gb with an out of memory error even though I have 32 GB.

If the internal SSD is large enough, chances are, even with moderate swap usage, it wont become an issue. Just make sure it's not excessive (e.g. swapping 10+gb constantly) Even old 2013 era 256gb SSDs could do 2000 TB writes before it dies. Those SSDs were warrantied for around ~75 TB of write endurance. The intel SSD was just 15TB.

Today's off the shelf SSDs are warrantied for 300 TB for 500gb, 600TB for 1TB and 1200 TB for 2TB. Apple's SSDs are likely even better.

My SSD usage ranges from 20 to 50gb per day. Even at a whopping 100 gb per day every day, that's 8 to 32 years to hit the warranty amount of a 500gb - 2TB SSD.

 

[HDFan]

Today's off the shelf SSDs are warrantied for 300 TB for 500gb, 600TB for 1TB and 1200 TB for 2TB. Apple's SSDs are likely even better.

My Studio has 154 TBW and SSD is at 100%.

 

[Droid13]

I'd be careful about this.

My SSD usage ranges from 20 to 50gb per day. Even at a whopping 100 gb per day every day, that's 8 to 32 years to hit the warranty amount of a 500gb - 2TB SSD.

That's my take-home. I haven't played with how MacOS uses swap files and I have shown myself that the way I use my machine, the SSD could last anything up to another 50-odd years (assuming I don't kill it with whatever is causing unsafe shut-downs).

 

[Fishrrman]

saudor wrote:
"I'd be careful about this. Some apps can behave weird when there is no swap file."

All I can report is my own experiences after doing so (disabling VM).
I have NEVER had a memory-related crash, ever.

 

[philippe2014]

Why disable swap in my qua?

 

[HDFan]

qua

Whats a "qua"?

 

[philippe2014]

Whats a "qua"?

Use