Can’t say I’ve really noticed. I’ve been European for over last 50 years.
Can only say that it’s a cultural thing and that maybe the Americans have things twisted?
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Can only say that it’s a cultural thing and that maybe the Americans have things twisted?
This is, where it starts...
America struggles with agony, if in a TV-Show the scarce textile cover of a womens body slips into a position where everyone may catch a glimpse of something absolutely horrifying on their 150 inch UHD screen, and children immediately get corrupted for their entire life...
Not to think about the view of a topless child...
Yes, the first part is a bit mean, I admit. But it happened...
you clearly didn't read my entire post, but that's pretty standard on the internet these days.
Think about the impossible case: That one photo you sent to an aunt of you gets stolen from the old phone of her (old OS, got hacked...) and appears on one of these sites. Gets flagged. There is a match on your database. You even own the original. You are in really big trouble. Do not try to explain anything to the police. No one will believe you...
Oh: even worse. You are abusing photos of your own children and maybe your children too. So, it is not only big trouble. You are dead.
I guess. Apple said that there is some undiscolsed volume of images that triggers it so it appears one photo (or more) won't trigger it. At that point when it is triggered a human being actually gets to look at the images (ugh, what a horrible job) and makes a judgement call before going to authorities. I'd also assume those authorities would be able to once they talk to you determine the images in question are all harmless typical family photos of just you or your children and it would go no further... at least until you sue the hell out of Apple and go on 20/20 or 60 Minutes to give an expose on how Apple's intrusive privacy policies nearly caused you to be named a child abuser and ruined your life.
I can assure you, I WOULD sue Apple for sure for doing this and asking me questions about my childs photos I do have taken years ago. Furthermore I would sue that person, who has categorized my private photo for breaking my privacy.
No one has to ask me any question about these private things. No one.
Oh: The amount of images you need to own to get triggered - it will be lowered in a couple of years, because the initial value was too high and did not trigger anything. (Beta Version, you know...)
If your child's photos are on a database intended for victims of child pornography (and I assume there is strict criteria for deciding which photos count), I think you have more pressing concerns than suing other people.
I wish companies would just leave people store their “hobbies” data on servers even if they’re super illegal hobbies.
They should learn from privacy martyrs like Kim Dotcom and Ross Ulbritch.
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Yes I would have the problem, that no one believes me, that my phone with the private photos got stolen and I will be accused as producer of these photos. It starts here: Not even you believe, that I am innocent.
Not exactly linux phones, but modified Android which is the nest best thing as to be honest they are not as convenient as stock iOS or Android. The least issue and most compatible one is LineageOS. For more privacy software look in this site: privacytools.io
This is simply not the case. The AI will identify nudity and it will be flagged for human review. So all that crap about comparing hashes is a bunch of BS. They will use AI to flag suspicious pics and then send them to a bunch of Indians to review the pics and decide your fate. This is the most ridiculous and atrocious thing that I’ve heard in the past 30 years of actively using technology.
That's not what is happening, and you know it.
In the case of scanning for child pornography, it's comparing the photos against an existing database that is being maintained by US law enforcement, not using AI but fingerprinting. Nudes of yourself or your children will not get flagged, unless they have also been identified as child pornography by the authorities.
This article gives a more in-depth explanation. If you want to hate, at least hate smart, and hate right.
Apple’s New ‘Child Safety’ Initiatives, and the Slippery Slope
The stakes are incredibly high, and Apple knows it. Whatever you think of Apple’s decision to implement these features, they’re not doing so lightly.
Right now, the main cause for concern is that while services like google photos scan the photos you upload, Apple is introducing a way to scan your photos on device. While this feature will only work on photos that would be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library, the problem is that Apple, in theory at least, still will have a means to scan your photos on your device, and one cannot help but wonder when they will go from scanning photos that would have been uploaded, to simply scanning all photos while they are at it.
If you are going to claim things are encrypted end to end, you should have no idea whats on the server. Its just 0s and 1s.
That's not what is happening, and you know it.
In the case of scanning for child pornography, it's comparing the photos against an existing database that is being maintained by US law enforcement, not using AI but fingerprinting. Nudes of yourself or your children will not get flagged, unless they have also been identified as child pornography by the authorities.
This article gives a more in-depth explanation. If you want to hate, at least hate smart, and hate right.
Apple’s New ‘Child Safety’ Initiatives, and the Slippery Slope
The stakes are incredibly high, and Apple knows it. Whatever you think of Apple’s decision to implement these features, they’re not doing so lightly.daringfireball.net
Right now, the main cause for concern is that while services like google photos scan the photos you upload, Apple is introducing a way to scan your photos on device. While this feature will only work on photos that would be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library, the problem is that Apple, in theory at least, still will have a means to scan your photos on your device, and one cannot help but wonder when they will go from scanning photos that would have been uploaded, to simply scanning all photos while they are at it.
Why do people keep repeating this lie that all apple is doing is comparing your image has to a known database hash?
If that was true then all you would have to do is crop a picture, or change one pixel and the hash value would change and the system would be defeated. Apple itself says thats not the case.
Furthermore, for kids accounts the system 100% scans photos for nudes before they send them, or receive them, so the system has nudity detection AI built in.
Because that's what Apple themselves is saying.
So I assume it's capable of detecting even modified images, so long as some part of it remains intact (eg: the face or posture).
You contradicted yourself and you dont even know it.
So let me make it simple: To be capable of detecting a modified image - apple must scan the image.
I don’t believe the “comparing hashes” party line. Child pornography is being manufactured every second of every day. There are billions of very capable cameras available worldwide in almost everyone’s palm, so I’m sure at least hundreds of child porn images are created every second. To think that there is a database of child porn with hashed images against which the pics on your iPhone can be compared is a ridiculous notion.That's not what is happening, and you know it.
In the case of scanning for child pornography, it's comparing the photos against an existing database that is being maintained by US law enforcement, not using AI but fingerprinting. Nudes of yourself or your children will not get flagged, unless they have also been identified as child pornography by the authorities.
This article gives a more in-depth explanation. If you want to hate, at least hate smart, and hate right.
Apple’s New ‘Child Safety’ Initiatives, and the Slippery Slope
The stakes are incredibly high, and Apple knows it. Whatever you think of Apple’s decision to implement these features, they’re not doing so lightly.
Right now, the main cause for concern is that while services like google photos scan the photos you upload, Apple is introducing a way to scan your photos on device. While this feature will only work on photos that would be uploaded to iCloud Photo Library, the problem is that Apple, in theory at least, still will have a means to scan your photos on your device, and one cannot help but wonder when they will go from scanning photos that would have been uploaded, to simply scanning all photos while they are at it.
Our law enforcement can’t even maintain a database of firearms, let alone being able to have a database of child porn images. The only effective way to try and identify child porn is to use AI to flag the images that the AI thinks is child porn and then let humans decide which ones are child porn. This is already being done by services like Facebook with thousands of contractors reviewing images all day long and getting PTSD from their jobs.
Apple has breached my red line of where they should never have gone. At this point, I will trust Google before I trust Apple.
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Kind of agree with this and kind of don't.
I don't think your government, (or collectively the people they serve), actually want a database for firearms.
At runtime, your local pics are not encrypted, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to look at them.
Doing this “CP or not” labeling locally is exactly what allows Apple to not decrypt all your pics when they are already stored on iCloud.
You people have it backward, this system allows for less invasion of our privacy than searching for CSAM in the cloud like other companies do.
At lest get your facts right, THEN we can discuss if it should be done or not.
Facebook uses AI because they don’t control the underlying hardware, so they can only rely on a purely software solution.
I don’t think Apple is willing to go to the extent of hiring an entire army of reviewers just to scan for child pornography. The reason why they would go about this is likely because they believe that they are able to automate this at scale using their A-series processors, and that the actual number of images flagged for human review will be so small that only a very small team will be necessary.
For the moment at least, I am willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt that they have found a unique way of tackling the very same issue that other companies such as facebook, Microsoft and google are already doing, using their control over hardware and software, in a way that other companies can’t. Just because a company like facebook uses AI doesn’t mean that other companies can’t do it better, or differently.
That also doesn’t mean I don’t have an issue with what Apple is doing here (because again, it’s a fine line between scanning only images designated to be uploaded, and just scanning all your images while Apple is at it), but what they are reporting here on how they intend to go about this process is very likely the truth.