What are you talking about, the CSAM repository by NCMEC is a thing and nobody says that it encompasses all the CP that ever existed and produced daily. Intercepting 100% of CP is outside of the scope of this system.
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Security Researchers Express Alarm Over Apple's Plans to Scan iCloud Images, But Practice Already Widespread
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What are you talking about, the CSAM repository by NCMEC is a thing and nobody says that it encompasses all the CP that ever existed and produced daily. Intercepting 100% of CP is outside of the scope of this system.
The "Apple is private" lie is just that - a lie. There is no evidence that you are any more private on an Apple product vs. any other. Remember that Apple only started talking about privacy when their sales began to plateau and they had to come up with a reason to keep people in the ecosystem.
How is apple adding picture scanning software to your phone 'less invasion of our privacy' ? Please explain that to me. Today they dont scan the pictures tomorrow they will. Sound like thats less privacy.
Because if you’re negative, it lives and dies fully within the boundaries of your device.
It’s a glorified “EXIF“ label generated locally. Afterwards your pics will be uploaded to iCloud encrypted end to end like nothing happened.
Only if you‘re positive multiple times Apple is involved in any way.
Whereas with server side search, your pics are being scanned in a physical place that’s thousand of miles from you, maybe they are also being decrypted before scanning them.
Not sure how anyone would prefer the latter, keeping in mind we’re talking about data you were about to upload to a server anyway. (this gets people..yes it’s local data but only if it‘s soon-to-be-uploaded)
From what I see, scanning happens on the device whether iCloud photo is turned on or off. The apparent difference is if iCloud Photo is turned off, an alert by Apple is not triggered.
"CSAM image scanning is not an optional feature and it happens automatically, but Apple has confirmed to MacRumors that it cannot detect known CSAM images if the iCloud Photos feature is turned off."
So i guess most people won't update to iOS 15 then. And probably a large drop for device sales.
I mean what do they expect? They want to stop abuse by abusing everyone.
The same technique can be used to scan voice and text. So if you talk bad about your government, Apple's gonna tell the government's drone your location to eliminate you.
That's no science fiction, this works already and can be implemented within weeks.
I mean what do they expect? They want to stop abuse by abusing everyone.
The same technique can be used to scan voice and text. So if you talk bad about your government, Apple's gonna tell the government's drone your location to eliminate you.
That's no science fiction, this works already and can be implemented within weeks.
That must be a lie.
There is no need to implement this if it only gets active in combination with iCloud photos.
The uploaded photos are scanned already.
So they confirm this is to enable mass control at any given time, if the leader of a nation demands it, they will give them anything. It's not about photos, the technique is working for every content that is on the phone and can be used to scan voice calls either in real-time.
With this statement, Apple confirmed they no longer sell a product, but a weapon.
It is the customer now who has to decide if he abandons freedom and democracy for a damn stupid phone. If he does, he doesn't deserve better.
We COULD try to fight it by not updating to this 1984 Master Control Firmware.
...i doubt, many will do that.
I do support every step against these abusive pictures, but I am not willing to have every photo scanned, whether it is acceptable or not.
Furthermore:
- Why do they scan "on device" but do nothing if I do not use the iPhoto library. The result of the scan is used for...?
- I am not willing to have a hash-database on my device, which is useless in my case but is controlling, what I am doing.
Apple Stock dropped Thursday and stays at that level for two days now. Let it drop more please....
i I think the fear is that it could spread to something else but this initiative all the technology all the skins for what only does where is this other fear coming from what else do you think will be flagged? You mean the silly post slightly above yours about scanning for too many days are too many that are wearing this or not wearing that? Where is the fear coming from?
If I may...
There is no fear, but simply the fact, that I do not want to be controlled continuously, whether I am doing something against the law because I could do it. I am NOT doing it. Being controlled just tells me, that I am regarded as a possible liar per default and have to be checked first.
You know: Security control at the airports. I COULD carry something dangerous, so I am scanned - every time - 100%. Security control on my Smartphone. I COULD do something wrong, so I will be scanned - continously.
I can't believe you typed this and can't understand why people wouldn't be ok with it.
Suing Apple for going against Child pornography from proliferating, I love to see how that court case goes ?
Some interesting speculation by Matt Green:
He thinks this scanning will only run on devices that have a neural engine (i.e. newer iDevices and M1 Macs) because the secret hash function needs to be executed in a secure environment to prevent it from leaking. That would mean that at least those of us still on Intel Macs could possibly be spared.
He thinks this scanning will only run on devices that have a neural engine (i.e. newer iDevices and M1 Macs) because the secret hash function needs to be executed in a secure environment to prevent it from leaking. That would mean that at least those of us still on Intel Macs could possibly be spared.
OK I’ll consider your debate.
First and foremost you are not being controlled. Period. You can save take pictures share them all you like. Apples already stated that if you disable iCloud photos they’re not gonna be part of the CSAM initiative.
Second a lot of the other services and OS is that you use or do you do this without your consent they haven’t told you Apple Lise is informing everybody publicly. Again this isn’t controlling anybody you choose what you do and what you do it’s your choice conscientiously APple is in changing your choice of doing this or that or anything else get that straight.
Being controlled would stop you from using the phone stop you from using iCloud if you’re doing wrong then at your account will be disabled whether it’s temporary until the proper person looks at the data or permanently.
Basic understanding in no way is any different than you having a license to drive a car it’s a privilege not a right do something wrong and continuously do things wrong and license will be revoked from you it doesn’t control whether or not you choose to drive Eileen hit people on the sidewalk doesn’t control your ability Speed on the highway words always leave your car parked in the driving spot it doesn’t control your actions it Punishes wrong consistent behavior. Just like driving license or not there are laws in the street for cars and for pedestrians there’s also a lot of child pornography newsflash
If you are in advertently in possession of some thing and you had no idea then yes you’re gonna be looked at the door will be locked that you may be questioned there may be an investigation it may turn out that you’re completely innocent but the link of what you had could spread to capturing very very easy people and that will play itself out. Be honourable you’re good.
I think your internalizing As a personal protection or personal fear versus the greater good of the community and for society as a whole you may not be a parent so you may not fully understand the gravity of something that we have a need for CSM in the first place that there’s disgusting traffickers of such content. You may be in support of this as well but maybe communication you’re not like maybe it’s the perception that it can be used as a total Terrian thing no I think that’s more than American perception because of the fear of things that started from a gun laws and the attack on laws recently.
If you work for a corporation understand that having a link sent to you in the chat doesn’t assume make you wrong or part of and it will link but if you click on it without thinking first or you click on it the database records it on the network you report it you’re in the clear you’re in the safe you might not know you have your phone our situation and this particular focus of child security and safety try not to personalize it as everything else you do in your life no that’s not it. But if your contact for it you be the honourable person that you are you’re not gonna be arrested or jail for 20 years or something you’re not very privy to.
No need to - the NRA will literally sell their firearms database to anyone that wants a copy.
No need to do the work if they will do it for you.
Obviously. I was answering something specific, though; this reply wasn't in any way useful.
First part is correct. Last part is not. That estimate was no doubt made from the inside out.
Actually, I retract this assertion on the grounds that it would be impractical madness for an ever-growing blacklist. Probably more like this:
1. Get ready to upload your photo to iCloud.
2. On-device algorithm scans the photo and works out one of the new fangled neural hash codes for it.
3. Phone asks an Apple Server if the hash code is on a blacklist.
4. Phone tags the photo with a warning “voucher” if that is the case.
5. Phone sends the photo on its way, complete with voucher if there is one.
I think you will find that way less people care about this beyond the echo chamber that is tech blogs and forums.
Well maybe but why does it need to be sold?
The authorities should be keeping a list, they even do that already with driving licenses.
Pardon my late reply... define child porn. A picture of a naked child (which is very common for parents to have e.g. pictures of their kids in the bathtub with a foambeard or so)
However the creepy neighbour taking pictures of your naked child bathing it's a whole different story.
The legal definition of porn or child porn for that matter is also not the same all over the world. There are a lot of deeper issues when you spend some time thinking about the implications. (One common example is sexting between teenagers and particularly the content resulting from that.)
So, just from that perspective there are already a lot of reasons against this.
However, it becomes ridicolous when considering that most messengers recompress the date when sent. This compression is often hardware accelerated and the output will vary a little at every compression. So, latest by now, the hash based approach is of little use even if the average pedo would be stupid enough to send their stuff over regular messengers and store it in their iPhone Photo library let alone iCloud. Also you could expect that even common messengers will now probably alter JPEGs very slightly before saving to camera roll -finally turning that hash based approach into useless nonsense.
What remains is Apple scanning innocent peoples pictures (being hash based or not) for being possible pedos.
You might want to read up on upload filters. It's a very similar issue (but certainly not the same).
Fact is… the photos app already scans locally. Not just for “persons”, but all kinds of subjects. I don’t tag or organise my photos, but can still do a search on keywords I never setup myself. The other day I was looking for a picture with a motorcycle. I could not remember when I took it, but I was easy found just by typing “motorcycle”.
My iPhone is actively scanning stuff, especially during nighttime when it is “idle” on the table. Every time I made a bunch of photos on daytime, the battery is drained more at nighttime than when I haven’t done much the day before.
My iPhone is actively scanning stuff, especially during nighttime when it is “idle” on the table. Every time I made a bunch of photos on daytime, the battery is drained more at nighttime than when I haven’t done much the day before.
Well, we can cross that bridge later. Are you protesting Twitter censoring people off its platform? Are you protesting fact-checking on Facebook? If you are- kudos to you, your re consistent in your morality. If not, well, I think you have some soul-searching to do.