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[Nothingfaced]

Currently installing Beta 1 of High Sierra for my EIGHT YEAR OLD iMac. Late 2009, Core 2 Duo, 500GB, 12GB RAM.

People can complain that Apples are expensive, but this is why. They LAST. I have never had a desktop computer last this many years, much less actually still be supported here in late 2017.

I fully realize it will be a very bare bones version of OSX10.13, but wow.

Kudos Tim Cook.

 

[ifrit05]

I have many PIII, P4, PM, and C2D desktops/laptops that still run fine to this day...

 

[Nothingfaced]

I'm more impressed with the fact it's still software supported. Axes the common complaint that Apple "forces" people to upgrade hardware to be compatible with their software. Just isn't true.

 

[Nothingfaced]

Damn. Install didn't work. iMac is stuck bricked on install screen. Tried rebooting, still stuck. Oh well, was worth a shot.

 

[lucco78]

Damn. Install didn't work. iMac is stuck bricked on install screen. Tried rebooting, still stuck. Oh well, was worth a shot.

Try recovery mode (cmd+R), it install 10.13 directly!

 

[danilko1]

My MacBookPro 17" from 2009, last OS was El Capitan. The laptop is fully stocked and would work fine with Sierra and High Sierra. So I don't understand how some Mac Books from 2009 will work with High Sierra but higher spec Macs won't.

I don't run Beta software on my production 2011 iMac. That system is configured to the top, as well.

 

[daflake]

I'm more impressed with the fact it's still software supported. Axes the common complaint that Apple "forces" people to upgrade hardware to be compatible with their software. Just isn't true.

Try and load that on my core 2 duo 2008 macbook.

I also have a lot of older PCs that run just fine. Hell, I remember when Apple used to force people to buy new Apps everytime they upgraded their OS.

 

[maflynn]

They LAST. I have never had a desktop computer last this many years, much less actually still be supported here in late 2017.

Actually MS tends to outstrip Apple in how long they offer support for an OS and how old a machine can run current operating systems.

 

[pickaxe]

Currently installing Beta 1 of High Sierra for my EIGHT YEAR OLD iMac. Late 2009, Core 2 Duo, 500GB, 12GB RAM.

People can complain that Apples are expensive, but this is why. They LAST. I have never had a desktop computer last this many years, much less actually still be supported here in late 2017.

I fully realize it will be a very bare bones version of OSX10.13, but wow.

Kudos Tim Cook.

Have you ever used Windows? Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 are very optimized on old hardware, despite having to support a huge amount of different hardware compared to Apple. 7 especially runs on old hardware beautifully. As they should be, the only ones pushing this arbitrary hardware obsolescence on the desktop is Apple.

 

[grahamperrin]

… many PIII, P4, PM, and C2D desktops/laptops that still run fine …

… more impressed with the fact it's still software supported …

https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware/article.html#proc-amd64 FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT support for AMD64 goes back to processors from around 2004, as far as I can tell.

In practice, the oldest machine with which I have used a FreeBSD-based system is an Ergo Vista 621 notebook, circa 2007 hardware. A year or so ago.

 

[rtomyj]

Have you ever used Windows? Windows 7, 8.1 and 10 are very optimized on old hardware, despite having to support a huge amount of different hardware compared to Apple. 7 especially runs on old hardware beautifully. As they should be, the only ones pushing this arbitrary hardware obsolescence on the desktop is Apple.

Gonna have to disagree. My second laptop was a mid range Samsung that lasted me about 2 years before the OS lagged like a mofo. Couldn't code, chrome was a pain to use, etc. My 2014 Mac mini is kicking its ass right now as is my 2014 MacBook pro (that things a monster!).

 

[active8]

Try and load that on my core 2 duo 2008 macbook.

I also have a lot of older PCs that run just fine. Hell, I remember when Apple used to force people to buy new Apps everytime they upgraded their OS.

Im running Sierra on my 2008 Intel Core 2 Duo MBP

 

[daflake]

Im running Sierra on my 2008 Intel Core 2 Duo MBP

This is a macbook, not pro...

 

[dukebound85]

Im running Sierra on my 2008 Intel Core 2 Duo MBP

without hacking?

 

[Nothingfaced]

Finally installed after I had to do a time machine restore.

I really don't notice much different... just different Siri logo, different wallpaper... haven't messed w/ it much.

 

[fischersd]

without hacking?

You have to patch a few files yes (my 17" 2008 MBP has been running Sierra since release) - due to the efforts of the lads in the Unsupported Macs thread.

I wouldn't load the DP1 of High Sierra on one though (a few issues at the moment).

 

[647156]

Actually MS tends to outstrip Apple in how long they offer support for an OS and how old a machine can run current operating systems.

My "Early 2006" 20-inch iMac Core Duo, the first Intel Mac ever released (i.e. not counting the Developer Transition Kit), can only run a maximum of OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard i.e. 6 releases behind the current (though still the best OS X in my opinion!), but runs the very latest Windows 10 just great...

I've also had Windows 2000 running on it (possible by replacing a couple of files on the 2000 disc with the equivalents from XP), try running 17 years of Apple OSes on a single Mac!

 

[Nothingfaced]

one thing I refuse to do, and recommend you do *NOT* do: Don't upgrade a production machine.

I don't care how much you like the new OS, just leave it alone for at least another 6 months. I learned that lesson the hard way.

 

[QzzB]

one thing I refuse to do, and recommend you do *NOT* do: Don't upgrade a production machine.

I don't care how much you like the new OS, just leave it alone for at least another 6 months. I learned that lesson the hard way.

thats a good rule for all Beta software - can loose data so never use Beta on Production systems.

 

[fischersd]

Pretty sure most big companies actually have IT policies against that (I know the corporations I've worked in did).
Nothing like some engineers losing 2 or 3 days of productivity because they had to play with a beta OS.

 

[saudor]

Well.. Windows 10 can run on stuff as old as P4 and Pentium D and those are 2006 and earlier.
Also Windows XP dropped support in 2014.. or 12 years after its release in 2002. Windows 7 (2009) is EOL in 2020 so 11 years there. macOS is only supported for 2 versions (2 years).

 

[Lolito]

Currently installing Beta 1 of High Sierra for my EIGHT YEAR OLD iMac. Late 2009, Core 2 Duo, 500GB, 12GB RAM.

People can complain that Apples are expensive, but this is why. They LAST. I have never had a desktop computer last this many years, much less actually still be supported here in late 2017.

I fully realize it will be a very bare bones version of OSX10.13, but wow.

Kudos Tim Cook.

good luck upgrading ram in 21,5" 2012 or later imac, dude, or in the latest mac mini, LOL.

You have a steve's era mac, dude, that's why.

 

[Fancuku]

[QUOTE="Nothingfaced, post: 24655284, member: 907560"]I'm more impressed with the fact it's still software supported. Axes the common complaint that Apple "forces" people to upgrade hardware to be compatible with their software. Just isn't true.[/QUOTE]
Windows XP was supported for some 15 years.

 

[fischersd]

[QUOTE="Nothingfaced, post: 24655284, member: 907560"]I'm more impressed with the fact it's still software supported. Axes the common complaint that Apple "forces" people to upgrade hardware to be compatible with their software. Just isn't true.

Windows XP was supported for some 15 years.[/QUOTE]
Umm...only because all of the big corporations were holding Microsoft by their naughty bits saying that they wouldn't upgrade until MS produced a decent version of windows.

Many were upgrading to Windows 7 though....then skipped 8 and went to 10.

 

[Taz Mangus]

one thing I refuse to do, and recommend you do *NOT* do: Don't upgrade a production machine.

I don't care how much you like the new OS, just leave it alone for at least another 6 months. I learned that lesson the hard way.

I would suggest to anyone to create a new partition and install the 10.13 betas on the new partition. This way you can always reboot to the primary partition and not be affected by what is runnning on the new partition.