Imagine if Congress were to require this of vehicle manufacturers. The consumer choses their tire brands and style, shock-absorber brand, steering wheel brand, type of seats, headlight choice, music system....
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U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Require Users to Be Able to Delete All Pre-Installed Apple Apps [Updated]
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Exactly! Think about buying a car with certain tires (preinstalled tires) that cannot be removed at the moment. And if you want to change them because you are not going to use them anyway, you need to buy another sets of tires (install new tires and put those preinstalled tires in your carage). Would you just rather have bought the tires you wish than forced to get preinstalled tires and after that buy new ones? Same goes with other parts… rather choosing the parts with a seller you are forced to get a certain parts and after buying them you are able to ”upgrade” your car.
Analogy: preinstalled apps and only after them installed you are able to choose the right apps.
I'd rather Apple provide a blank phone. Not even an OS. No lighting or USB-anything ports. And over charge for it. go do whatever you want folks. Here is the iPhone you always wanted.
But wouldn't that mean Google has to do the same with Android--no Google Mail, Google Maps, YouTube, Google Photos, etc?
I'm fairly certain this has already been done in some European country with web browsers. As I recall, the law is that when setting up a computer, it should prompt the user to pick from the five most popular browsers, with an option to skip where it just picks at random... so at the time that I heard about this, it offered IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Opera when setting up Windows 7.
I'd say the law just says X options need to be provided, with it being left up to the company to pick the options that are given + they have to document how they arrived at those options. Organizations or individuals that make competing apps should be able to request that they become one of the options that can be chosen, and take it to court if the company can't give a good explanation for why they're excluded, but it should be pretty straight forward... pick the ones with the most marketshare.
I will say something very sinister that Apple is doing that I haven't seen any legal action focused on yet is the WebKit requirement for browsers on iOS. That gives Apple a colossal amount of power to dictate what kinds of web apps are created. We end up seeing web apps which could function everywhere but iOS just not get developed at all. We also end up with a lot of major vulnerabilities which should have workarounds (IE, use a browser with a different engine and so doesn't have the issue), but don't because all browsers are required to just be wrappers around WebKit.
Imagine only being able to buy the tires, shocks, etc from the dealer in perpetuity after you buy the car, a la App Store.
And we can choose to not purchase an iPhone because there are other choices from other manufactures and OS's to pick from.
What kills me in this entire argument is that back in 1996-97 no one cared much about Apple cause they didn't have anything the majority of people really cared about. Then comes along the iMac, iTunes, iPod, iPhone, iPad and so on. They got successful and grew the way you would want any company to do. Each time they came out with something it was a major risk. At any time they could have failed so bad that they could have gone away. But, they made it and are now a multi trillion dollar company. And for that, the government wants to break them up, call them monopolists and that makes absolutely no freaking sense to me. They didn't push anyone out of any market. They beat them fair and square. EVERYONE wanted a "smart" phone with physical buttons. Apple said, nah we think you might prefer to just use this touch screen for everything, no buttons except this home button, volume and power. No one else did this cause it was not the "way" at that time. It worked, and sold out.
I'm sorry, but this is BS man. It's not like they forced anyone to buy anything they didn't want or they needed and overcharged or any anti-competitive whatever's. They offered another option, another way to do something. They are successful at it. Not to mention, they are not even trying to outsell the cheapest phones on the market. They want to be the premier, best, whatever high end you want to call it. They don't sell $100 phones, or cheap anythings. They let others have that all day every day. If they wanted to be a monopoly, they would sell phones for FREE and make it so you couldn't put anything on it except Apple made software.
End of rant.
That’s a generalized baseless statement. Perhaps you can expound on this with specific examples so a discussion can be had.
I use most Apple apps. I don’t want to install those since I use them. Good example of government taking away my freedom of choice.
Additionally you gonna delete the phone app? Tough to call emergency services.
Its super interesting to see how the initial phone setup experience would diminish/ upset so many users. Really? The one time setup (selecting default app vs a different one) is too much to handle?
I am sure if Apple organically choose to provide this option (without any regulators), no one would raise voice.
This is about simply providing choice to users who need it, not for the general fanboys/ masses who will accept the default apps as is.
Sure, regulators could work on better things than this... iff the manufacturers had provided the choice from before, this would not have come up.
People need to grow up and be mature on their non-sensical comments. Jeez.
SMH
I am sure if Apple organically choose to provide this option (without any regulators), no one would raise voice.
This is about simply providing choice to users who need it, not for the general fanboys/ masses who will accept the default apps as is.
Sure, regulators could work on better things than this... iff the manufacturers had provided the choice from before, this would not have come up.
People need to grow up and be mature on their non-sensical comments. Jeez.
SMH
Your ”right” to “chastise“ posters isn’t greater than the right of posters to state their preferences...imo.
So it’s better to have multiple browsers with multiple vulnerabilities, waiting for the devs to fix the vulnerabilities? Don’t think that’s a better system at all.
Well having different people with different if not opposing views in Congress or Parliament is what democracy is all about. I guess only in countries like China and Russia people are forced not to have one …
True. Not everything is decided by the Gov. Has for them working out by themselves … that is what happens usually. Sometimes they take each other to courts … well quite a lot of times actually.
It seams that both parties have good claims. When they cannot the judicial system is the first fence … the second is the Anti Trust committee. Yet the later does not care for either but making sure that consumer are being given fair options. Including the ability to access say Fortnite or xCLoud on their phone … or whatever in a free market.
You see, such conditioning did not exist when people bought their phones … just a vague and general one. Consumers need to be protected by that.
You see, I am an Apple user and to be honest find it annoying this Pope like attitude of TC … “we need to protect our customer and users” … I personally don’t need his protection do you? All I need is for them to deliver what I payed for and I did not pay for protection of this kind.
By the way … all these big tech companies share more or less the same attitude … “we need to protect our users”. Hence Anti Trust watch dogs make a lot of sense.
This is actually an excellent retort to what has been a spectacularly failed analogy for 20 pages.
Hang out here much? Having to sift through hundreds of apps just to start using your phone would certainly inconvenience everyone and evoke much vitriol on this forum. (Why can't I just start using my phone?)
Yes, let's make the "Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog Rule" and "The Equalization of Opportunity Bill" real-life.
It's true. Apple's business is having a locked down OS where it's difficult to install unsigned apps. That's the measure of control that we gave up as iOS users. Don't like it? Use Android.
Apple should mimic consoles. Licensing fee on every sale. Doesn't matter where you bought the app. Doesn't matter the payment processor.
If we have such a strong stance towards pre-installed apps that we hate no matter, then we should not be buying a Mac either then... or allow the same to happen
I just assume the same reasons apply on iOS. "You can't delete because it's tightly ingratiate into the OS/iOS."
By the way were going, the legislation wants everyone to be like Android... It's not about choice anymore, when your not allowing creators like Apple's pre-installed apps, to do their own thing, and always favoring the other side either.. if a user deices to delete Messages, for example, 99% chance is your gotta put it back anyway..
Having options is good, but not where is doesn't make sense.
I just assume the same reasons apply on iOS. "You can't delete because it's tightly ingratiate into the OS/iOS."
By the way were going, the legislation wants everyone to be like Android... It's not about choice anymore, when your not allowing creators like Apple's pre-installed apps, to do their own thing, and always favoring the other side either.. if a user deices to delete Messages, for example, 99% chance is your gotta put it back anyway..
Having options is good, but not where is doesn't make sense.
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Has Bloomberg ever retracted their fabricated story of the Big Hack? 
Bloomberg knows what gets hits and they know that at this time, they don’t even have to be accurate anymore LOL
Bloomberg knows what gets hits and they know that at this time, they don’t even have to be accurate anymore LOLNope, but AT&T purchased other telecommunications companies to strengthen their monopoly and that’s what got them into hot water. Now that I think of it, I can actually see the similarities now because Apple did[/] buy up all those other smartphone OS vendors in the same way… so yeah, I get the comparison.
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But there's already a choice... there's an entire freakin' app store with a million apps!
If you don't like Apple's Notes app... you can choose to download Evernote or OneNote.
If you don't like Apple's Podcast app... you can choose to download Overcast or PocketCasts.
If you don't like Apple's Calendar app... you can choose to download Fantastical or Outlook.
If you don't like Apple Maps... you can choose to download Google Maps or Waze.
But I don't see why the Government should force Apple to provide a popup to choose all these apps during setup.