There is the problem you describe.
You and many others are missing the point about children being safe. Peadophiles are able to act with near on annonymity and near impunity because when they want to talk with others who are like them, they use devices that have end to end encryption because they know a) there messages and conversations cannot be eavesdropped on and b) their messages and conversations are encrypted meaning evidence of their illegal activites cannot be accessed meaning without any other evidence, they get away with it. With this type of thing going on it means children are not safe because the activities of these type of people cannot be monitored properly. By removing end to end encryption on these devices it means these type of people are no longer able to be hidden, their activites could be picked up and detected by the police which means it becomes very very risky for them to carry out their activities. This means children can be a lot safer. This is what I am getting at when I say children will be safer.
Your obviously pro-privacy because your tagging posts as angry that does not agree with your personal views/opinions on privacy matters.
Yeah I’m pro privacy. I’m not hiding it. Thanks for telling us you are anti privacy.
Actually that is where you are wrong. Do not miskake my support on this specific matter as any indication I am anti privacy, far from it. I just believe that when it comes to protecting children, we have to accept some sacrifices in our lives.
What me and everyone advocate here is how much we are willing to pay to “protect children” before we are forced to pay with our lives? It’s not just “some” sacrifice, and privacy isn’t going to be the only cost. It’s a literal downward spiral that should not be too difficult to see from far away.
Let’s say E2E encryption is banned and made illegal for the safety of our children. do you seriously think abusers will stop using such software to protect themselves just because it’s illegal?
How about they put in a law where they can force you to unlock your device and apps if there is genuine suspicion that you are a child molester? They'd have to have suspicions before they can access your chats, but once they have some sort of evidence they could force you to show them everything on your phone and other devices.
Never underestimate how stupid a very large group oh humans can be, in the U.S. we had Trump and in the U.K. you all have Brexit. Hope won’t get us there.
The US still has Trump, bless his cotton socks.
They won't be caught. It's already illegal to abuse children, and they're doing it anyway (forgive the harshness). If it becomes illegal to encrypt messages end to end, they'll also do it anyway. It's so easy to gain access to crypto tools that anyone can do it.
Those two things are more similar than they sound. Protecting children is always the excuse for invading privacy, or taking away any right in general. Guns, speech, criminal rights, body autonomy, whether you agree with the right or not, the children are always the key to taking it away. I'm not accusing you of fakeness, but this is the reason you're setting off alarm bells in people's heads.
We already have this. Known as a court order. People can still refuse tho considering the risk to incriminate yourself or abuse from “ suspected crime”
Do you have any proof it will have any effect at all?
Exactly. Banning something doesn’t stop its use.
pedophile gangs use end to end encryption (E2E) so they create and distribute child images and videos without the police being able to eavesdrop on them so they can catch them in the act or have their messages decryted when their phone(s) are handed over to the police. Grug gangs use E2E so they can buy, sell and distribute illegal drugs, again withouth the police being able to eavsdrop on them or to get their phone messages decrypted. Terrorists all do the same thing. So, are you telling me that because these gangs will just carry on doing what they are doing if E2E was stopped, that we should just ignore trying to stop E2E and their means of communication and just carry on the way things are now, just so you and others can keep your precious privacy???
Tel me, what can the cops do if E2E was made illegal? The cops will still not have the ability to read the information, they will have the exact same problem with breaking encryption as today.
It doesn't matter whether E2E encryption is illegal or not. The genie is out of the bottle. Outlawing it would simply mean that evil and criminal people (like paedophiles) will use their criminal endeavours to send secure messages illegally. It's really a very simple thing to do. You can, for example, secretly store an encrypted image inside another completely normal image.
I think people who support mass monitoring are a much bigger danger than pedophiles.
For the most part, the problem is due to us, the public because we can be so unforgiving when things go wrong. Look at incidents that have shapped or affected our lives. The terrorist attacks/bombings, school shootings, other mass shootings, pedophiles gangs and drug gangs, and when people become victims of one or any of them there is an immediate outcry from us the public condeming our countries government for not doing enough to prevent those things from happening. We persistanly demand that our governments do more to protect us but then when the government comes back and says the only way we can protect you is to carry out more monitoring suddenly us the public go 'not a chance. I will not have my privacy affected at the expense of protecting us from those who wish to do us harm'.
Alright then. Since you are so fixated that E2E encryption is bad, let’s hope E2E encryption is outlawed, and see how safer our society could become.
Maybe i should fight back and say your fixation on privacy is bad because it puts the safety of others into jeopardy. As for your remark, your putting words into my mouth because i have never said E2E is bad. Maybe you should contact the UK government and tell them the exact same thing you just told me. I am just arguing the merits of what the UK government is trying to do to protect the UK public. Is what the UK government trying to do open to abuse? hell yes because it has already be proven with the use of anti-terrorism laws being abused by the UK police. Is what the UK government trying to do going to erode more of the publics privacy? hell yes but what alternative is there?
