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UK Government Readies Anti-Encryption Publicity Campaign to 'Keep Children Safe' Online
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Here we are. UK becomes the first democratic country to ban encryption, something I mentioned years ago. Now let’s see all websites in UK become http instead of https, outlaw VPN, disable passwords for login in any and all scenarios (such as authorising purchases online), meanwhile criminals keep using other E2E and continue to evade protection. Wonder how much damage banning encryption would cause before enough people stand up and protest against banning encryption. Oh wait, protesting is also illegal.
Wait, you don't think the U.S. Government wants to do this? I guess you never heard of the Patriot Act.
I think 3rd party auditors won’t amount to a hill of beans when they’re supplied by the government, or more likely won’t exist at all in countries where Apple is told to use a particular database because it’s the law. And Apple will always comply with the law. Or do you think Apple will refuse any request by the Chinese government to match against any database they’re told to match against? Apple’s track record of refusing China’s request isn‘t that great.
Of course you won’t be able to verify the photos because you won’t be able to see them.
Could governments have done this already? Sure. But what‘s easier: getting folk to put spyware onto their own phones, or relying on the phone manufacturer to do it for them, then force them to open the system to you.
I’ve seen a lot of folks regurgitating Apple’s press blurb about 3rd party auditors, but no one has come up with an answer to how they’ll resist attempts to open up the spyware to government surveillance, other than “We will refuse”. Because when Apple is looking at a sales ban in China, they will quietly cave.
Apple says it will refuse government demands to use child safety system for surveillance
The company has faced significant criticism after announcing a CSAM-detection system which involved automatically scanning iPhone pictures before they're uploaded to iCloud.
I mean if Priti Patel, home secretary who wants the navy to attack refugees in dinghies, thinks it’s a good idea, then I’m afraid you’ve landed on the wrong side.
UK government lauds Apple's CSAM plans as it seeks to skirt end-to-end encryption | AppleInsider
Priti Patel, Home Secretary of the UK, penned an op-ed this week highlighting a need for enhanced child protection online, and in doing so lauded Apple's now-postponed CSAM monitoring plans.
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When they are part of allied coalitions that conduct these operations, yes, they, actually *do* have a burden to protect innocent children outside the UK. Plenty of UK-led and UK-involved operations have had "collateral damage" that didn't seem to have this "but the children!" anywhere on the list of priorities or risk-benefit.
And, if you want to look at the plight within the UK of children starving or being marginalized, it's not a flattering story or compelling to believe the "it's about the children, not the e2e encryption" line we are supposed to believe.
Ok fine, I’ll accept having all my life out there in public if the government bodies themselves are willing to accept having all their confidentiality, diplomatic immunity and other political privacy/protections bs removed too. Heck, maybe add to that up-to-deadly punishment for corruption cases (which would be several fold easier to catch if they can’t really hide it legally).
I guess I would just stop chatting and get back to face to face conversation.
I guess I would just stop chatting and get back to face to face conversation.
Indeed, this is a typical (and desperate) action from governments: attacking (one of) the symptoms while the actual problem persists and more arise. One cannot abolish secret communication, that's just impossible. Even kids invent their own secret languages and secret ways to communicate to hide something from their parents.
I'm afraid that it always will be old fashioned detective work. Banning some technology isn't the answer.
Communists already done it in China now Conservatives are copying them.
It’s unbelievably sad that there are people that actually trust the government and corporations like this. Wow.
This is just another of Ms Patels bright ideas to deflect a bit off spotlight from her boss, so that people and the media in peticular will care less about the latest scandal involving no 10(whatever that is today).
I'd like ro thank you dfor yout contribution, alass I can't comment on it's contents doue to it being encrypted .....
I think the modern parlance is Consocialists now?
The current Government are a danger to this country and the people.
When you are personally affected by the harrowing prospect of a child of yours or a child relative of yours being sexually abused by their abusers and the police turn around and say 'sorry, there is nothing we can do to catch the abuser because we are unable to get into the end to end encryption the abuser was using, the right to privacy debate no longer has any relevance.
From the various UK investigations into child abuse it's a fact that abusers use devices that have end to end encryption to avoid detection and to avoid having their messages exposed because without enough evidence, the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) will not prosecute and the abusers know this. It is an extremely tough call to make, the right to privacy or the right to protect children.
I have young nieces and nephews. Would I give up my right to privacy knowing that in doing so it would help keep them safer and make it easier to find and arrest child abusers? Yes, of course I would.
From the various UK investigations into child abuse it's a fact that abusers use devices that have end to end encryption to avoid detection and to avoid having their messages exposed because without enough evidence, the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) will not prosecute and the abusers know this. It is an extremely tough call to make, the right to privacy or the right to protect children.
I have young nieces and nephews. Would I give up my right to privacy knowing that in doing so it would help keep them safer and make it easier to find and arrest child abusers? Yes, of course I would.
Effectively the argument sounds like this:
Criminals lock their doors, making it hard for police to enter.
Therefore we must outlaw all locks in doors so nobody can lock their door.
Things in the UK really are that bad. Our cultish PM is fighting for his political life as lie after lie is exposed.
You can make all the different type of analogies all you want but at the end of the day it boils down to this, what is more important to you, your right to privacy or the right to protect the safety of children?
You mean, they have learned from the Brexit disaster? One can hope, ... but ...