Apple Store Employees in New Jersey File to Unionize

[GrayFlannel]

That's incorrect. Labor existed before entrepreneurs and will always exist

Please review the conversation from the beginning to understand the context.

 

[maxoakland]

Right, but it’s not just the pay that’s already good at Apple, they also get very generous benefits, including insurance and the like. And this is the US, if there are instances of misconduct from Apple (like the controversial bag-search off the clock policy), employees can file a class action lawsuit (which they did) to get relief. No union needed in this case.

Why should they have to go through a class action lawsuit when they can have a union instead? Unions are great for protecting employees from misconduct like you mentioned

 

[maxoakland]

Please review the conversation from the beginning to understand the context.

Oh I did. And I'll add that entrepreneurs wouldn't exit without labor, not the other way around. A business can't exist without workers, but workers can (and successfully do) run businesses without a CEO or entrepreneur telling them what to do, and it benefits the workers more than a company with an overpaid executive suite sucking all the profit out

Check out those links before you respond so you can understand the context.

 

[GrayFlannel]

Oh I did.

Excellent, then you understand the context of that exchange.

 

[jlc1978]

Oh I did. And I'll add that entrepreneurs wouldn't exit without labor, not the other way around. A business can't exist without workers, but workers can (and successfully do) run businesses without a CEO or entrepreneur telling them what to do, and it benefits the workers more than a company with an overpaid executive suite sucking all the profit out

Check out those links before you respond so you can understand the context.

Coops are an interesting business model, and can be quite successful for the owners. However, in a coop the workers are the entrprenuers who start and run the business, and it's their capital that is at risk; so your example actually is counter to your argument. They have chosen to make a capital investment as any entrepreneur would, it's just the number of investors may be larger than most and they generally do not get outside funding so all the financial risk is on them.

It's not that different than many partnership businesses except every worker is a partner, and new workers would need to pay into the business or else the original workers who started it would see their share diluted.

It's really the antithesis of the union model, where workers have no financial risk other than job loss or pay cuts. If the firm goes under, it's not their money unless they part of an ESOP or have bought shares in the company.

 

[avz]

If you believe they believe the path to nirvana in life is unionization more power to them. Who are we to say otherwise.

A path to nirvana in life? More like a knee-jerk reaction to the inflation heading towards double digits where the first digit is more than 1.

It is an entirely different story that unionization can(and probably will) be used for political purposes(just like the "useful sideloading crowd").

 

[jhwalker]

A path to nirvana in life? More like a knee-jerk reaction to the inflation heading towards double digits where the first digit is more than 1.

It is an entirely different story that unionization can(and probably will) be used for political purposes(just like the "useful sideloading crowd").

Except, of course, inflation is in the low SINGLE digits and treading downward rather than upward. Otherwise, you're right

 

[avz]

Except, of course, inflation is in the low SINGLE digits and treading downward rather than upward. Otherwise, you're right

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