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avz

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The mistress is Russia. China has been warming up to that side piece for a while. Keeping Vald on the line long enough to suck as much cheap energy out of Eurasia's gas station as possible.
Do you feel lucky that US and an alliance of 50+ advanced economies can hold their own against the mistress/gas station? Somehow I don't think you do.
 

anthogag

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More proof the West should not rely on China for anything. China's market for Apple should be icing on a cake, not "important".

China's communist party rulers are power hungry. It would be much better if China were a democracy. The country could change paths every 4 years. Instead it's the Xi doldrums for 20 more years.
 
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Kierkegaarden

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This just means that those workers will end up buying an iPhone separately for personal use. Or the story is being blown out of proportion. Or this was a warning shot a week before the next iPhone launch that supposedly will see initial manufacturing also out of India.
 

Shamgar

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This just gives China more ways to insure they can spy more easily on its state workers. It really breeds trust in your workforce.
True, but the CCP isn't trying to build a healthy society of mutual trust. The state workers just need to be properly subservient to the party if they want enough social credit to rent a home, ride a bus, or order take-out.
 
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wanha

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Sure seems backwards to ban the iPhone and use the "ultra secure" Android if their concern is security.

Unless, of course, security has nothing to do with it.
 
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falainber

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More proof the West should not rely on China for anything. China's market for Apple should be icing on a cake, not "important".

China's communist party rulers are power hungry. It would be much better if China were a democracy. The country could change paths every 4 years. Instead it's the Xi doldrums for 20 more years.
I am just curious what your thoughts were when US (and their lapdogs) banned the use of Huawei phones?
 

falainber

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Sure seems backwards to ban the iPhone and use the "ultra secure" Android if their concern is security.

Unless, of course, security has nothing to do with it.
This has nothing to do with Android or iOS. Other foreign phones (read: Android phones) were banned as well.

China has real reasons to mistrust the hardware from the US companies. As was reported by Snowden: "Routers, switches, and servers made by Cisco are booby-trapped with surveillance equipment that intercepts traffic handled by those devices and copies it to the NSA's network".
 

falainber

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Apple will continue to pull its manufacturing out of China... there is no future there...
Are you sure about that? Once they do it, China will just ban all Apple hardware altogether and China is the biggest iPhone market (since the second quarter of this year). Besides, Apple is only moving the most trivial assembly to other countries. 90% of iPhone components are still manufactured in China. No other country has similar industrial prowess.
 

femike

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To put this in context, and to reveal the double standards, the US has consistently blocked and sanctioned foreign technology, even those from Japan and Europe. Also, the US has a huge number state-sponsored companies.
 
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4tune8chance

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China earlier this week banned government officials from using iPhones and other foreign smartphones for work or from bringing such devices to their government offices, and now China is expanding the ban. According to Bloomberg, multiple state agencies and state companies have started telling workers not to bring their iPhones in to their jobs.

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The restriction is expected to expand to additional government-controlled organizations in the future as China aims to block foreign technology. China does not yet have a formal injunction, so it is not yet known how many companies may adopt the iPhone restrictions. China has a huge number of state-owned enterprises in power generation, seaport construction, mining, manufacturing, education, and investment markets. Foreign devices have historically been discouraged in sensitive agencies, but China is now taking a firmer stance.

China is an important market for Apple, and the ban could push customers to purchase Chinese-made devices if they are unable to use their personal iPhones for much of the day. Bloomberg suggests that the strictness of the bans could vary from company to company, with some banning Apple products from the workplace and some preventing employees from using Apple devices entirely.

Apple stock has been dropping since yesterday, and it is down over 5 percent as of Thursday.

Article Link: China Expanding Government iPhone Ban
Just one more example of the CCP hypocrisy, we will take your tech and expertise then build our own to steal your market.
 

ackmondual

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Apple should run a TV ad promoting this as a selling point. "The iPhone is so secure that the Chinese government doesn't allow their employees to bring one to work. Security. That's iPhone."
If they do do that, I'd reckon they'll be leaving the market in China since the CCP they won't take too kindly to that. (FWIW, we'll know they've always been sensitive and uptight about that sort of thing, and frankly, they'll put on a show to save face, but they know it too)
 

anthogag

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I am just curious what your thoughts were when US (and their lapdogs) banned the use of Huawei phones?
Huawei was banned because it's not trustworthy because all significant China companies like Huawei have shady links to China's government. It is all about trust and Huawei is not trustworthy.

China's punitive damages towards Apple only shows how much China's government sucks.
 
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gaximus

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Sanctions have sanctions as a response…

If we want the earth as we know it to survive, we need to talk and work together…
There is the argument of ”do we want it to survive, as we know it?”
 
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gaximus

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Actually, it really has nothing to do with USA / China relations. It has more to do with China retaliating against Apple for moving manufacturing out of China.
Apple has the 65% market share in China (devices over $600), keeping a few officials from bringing their phones into work, isn’t going to hurt Apple at all, and Apple isn’t going to do anything to hurt their market share over either.
 

jimbobb24

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Did you type that on your Apple device?

You say that now, but imagine if manufacturing was moved to the lazy-worker American region and prices went way up. Then you'd complain about that?
The US manufacturing is among the most productive in the world per employee. Not sure why this slur is necessary. Jobs leave because we create policies that make it prohibitive to employ Americans and then cry that jobs leave. They dont leave because we are not productive.
 

jimbobb24

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More proof the West should not rely on China for anything. China's market for Apple should be icing on a cake, not "important".

China's communist party rulers are power hungry. It would be much better if China were a democracy. The country could change paths every 4 years. Instead it's the Xi doldrums for 20 more years.
A democratic India and China would be great leaders for the 21st and 22nd centuries. The sooner China is free the better for everyone.
 

jimbobb24

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Are you sure about that? Once they do it, China will just ban all Apple hardware altogether and China is the biggest iPhone market (since the second quarter of this year). Besides, Apple is only moving the most trivial assembly to other countries. 90% of iPhone components are still manufactured in China. No other country has similar industrial prowess.
Sure except Germany, Taiwan, Japan, the US, France, the UK, India, etc. Sure no other country except all those who make advanced components and devices in many industries.
 
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