15% Tariff Hitting AirPods, Apple Watch, HomePod and More in the U.S. This Sunday

[pweicks]

How about this idea? We surround China with our allies, suppressing it strong enough so that it cannot do anything without negotiating with us? Both economically and politically?

Oh wait. We have businesses to do WITH Chinese. Ah snap. That’s tough now.

“But, but we can pull our business out of China!” “Yes we can but, we don’t have enough money to keep the company going. The market in USA is only so big.”

The key point is to not earn Chinese money. However, at this point, who can resist the money thrown away by so many riches in China? You keep saying China does not play the rules, but want to earn Chinese money? Get out of China completely, rally our allies to do the same, before bickering about “playing nicely with out rules”.

Standing up to China solves what problem? China now has enough power to build a self sustained economy and cut off all foreign investment. How long that will last no one knows, but it is possible now. At that time, what will Tariff do? Will Trump provide education to Americans so that people can do manufacturing work locally, with standards like 12 hours a day at $12/hour? Or better yet, let Americans learn how to build advanced robots?

Sorry, but I just don’t see tariff solving the burning problem of America lacking highly scalable manufacturing capabilities, which is the core of this entire Apple products subject to tariff topic.

Good try. We see you guys hate socialism. Now we just disguise socialism under the cover of capitalism.

That would be a fantastic idea.

Lol you’ve missed the point. Who cares if companies don’t come back to the US? Who cares if we don’t get “Chinese money” from it? That was never the point of it. The purpose is to make China hurt. They are hurting and the tariffs are working. Idk where you’ve heard that China can sustain itself, because they’re already being affected by these tariffs after only three months of it. So yes actually, we do know how long they have lasted with that. Not too long. They’re now the ones asking Trump to come to the negotiating table. Did you even know that? You should stop listening to your liberal media. They’re terrible at telling the truth.
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I think he should be impeached.
I also think he has committed major crimes, including market manipulation recently.
I am also a big fan of getting hard on Chinese IP theft, so while I appreciate it, I’m also not in agreement that these tariffs are effective. They are just showy, peacock efforts that look tough, won’t work, and hurt Americans.
Start prosecuting companies, executives, and send a message individually.

It’s just like all the immigration stuff. It needs fixed, but no one prosecuted anyone hiring illegals. Why? Blame widely so no one can refute anything. Blame “China, Inc.” Blame “Mexico” instead of brown people. It’s all a terrible shell game.

Great post @GrumpyMom
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Falsely filing this stuff is a criminal offence, and would shave billions off their stock price. But, hey, you know better.

Apple’s committing a criminal offense??? *gasp*

 

[Shirasaki]

No he’s not. It’s a free country. You can go out and do whatever the heck you wanna do. And he’s made it easier to do that now than it ever was with Obama. If you believe that your right to make your own choices has been taken away from you, you’re falling for the garbage that all the social-justice warrior democrats are feeding you.

It does not like you cannot do whatever the heck you wanna do under Obama anyway. But I get it, you want a dozen more firearms to defend your nicely built house and trump encourages you to do so, without background check and such.

You completely miss the point of “free country” cannot be allowed by government, and America is not a true “free country” either.

 

[femike]

Will the US gov imposed tariffs affect the prices of the products sold in other countries?

 

[i.mac]

There’s a Russian puppet in the usr (United States of Russia), and the trade wars is one of the strings in the puppet master’s show.

Only the puppet master wins.

 

[Shirasaki]

Lol you’ve missed the point. Who cares if companies don’t come back to the US? Who cares if we don’t get “Chinese money” from it? That was never the point of it. The purpose is to make China hurt. They are hurting and the tariffs are working. Idk where you’ve heard that China can sustain itself, because they’re already being affected by these tariffs after only three months of it. So yes actually, we do know how long they have lasted with that. Not too long. They’re now the ones asking Trump to come to the negotiating table. Did you even know that? You should stop listening to your liberal media. They’re terrible at telling the truth.
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Apple’s committing a criminal offense??? *gasp*

Ahh, typical Fox News moment. I get it.
Anyway, when I am trying to come up with an idea to practically hurt and force China to subdue and admit their crime, you tell me I miss the point? But yeah, Fox News only tells you tariff works, when it does more harm to USA farmers than good, be it short term or long term. And obviously you don’t know that USA was trying to surround China for a very long time since 1953 after being defeated by Chinese in Korean Peninsula.
And tell you what? You only receive information from trump and Fox News. Most Chinese people also receive information from state controlled media and nowhere else. Oh god, I see so many similarities now. Both only manipulate the information to hide what is actually happening. Jesus. USA is well on their way to become the next communist country with an oppressive government. Thankfully there are still enough people trying to speed bump this trump train. Valiant attempt for sure.

 

[Plutonius]

Sorry, but I just don’t see tariff solving the burning problem of America lacking highly scalable manufacturing capabilities, which is the core of this entire Apple products subject to tariff topic.

I think that is just a secondary goal in the tariff debates.

The main goal of the tariffs is to pressure China into changing their laws on IP theft.

 

[sirozha]

I probably pay at least that much and probably more than you taxes and you also probably get better quality health care.

Portions of it may be free bit it’s not great quality. I had acute appendicitis went to emergency in the morning didn’t see a doctor till around 10pm. Family doctors in cities are over worked underpaid and general don’t seem to care much about there patients. Partly probably because it’s so affordable and people run to the doctor when they have a common cold. There are negatives to our health care system as well.

Either way the more we pay in tax and cost of goods offsets what you pay for health care.

I went to an emergency room two weeks ago for dizziness, high blood pressure, and irregular heart rate. I spent 6 hours there, but didn’t even get to see a doctor. Instead, I was “treated” by a PA - physician’s assistant. They took an EKG (after I waited for 4 hours), did a blood test, and then found that I was a little low on magnesium, so they put an IV magnesium drip in me. They released me with a diagnosis of stress and told me to go see a neurologist. I received a bill two days ago: $3,500 for that ER visit. I will be paying that amount out of pocket (that’s on top the monthly premiums that I pay to my insurance company). Mind you, I didn’t call an ambulance and instead asked my wife to drive me to the ER. Had I called the ambulance, it would have been another $2,000 in an ambulance bill. This system is absolutely broken.

 

[Shirasaki]

You know, I really couldn't care less about how China treats their workers. They can do anything they want. They are a communist dictatorship, and we have no grounds to reason with them or try to make their society more equitable. We should concentrate on creating an environment here that promotes better treatment of our own workers.

And guess what? Better treatment and environment costs money. Sure, we should concentrate on training our citizens in USA to be capable of performing manufacturing jobs. How about raising the price of iPhone iPad or better yet, all electronics? The money has to come from somewhere. I wonder where.

 

[run1976]

If you aren't aware of what went wrong I'll fill you in once again:

China is cheating us. That's a big reason why I support Trump.

A simple answer from a simple mind?

 

[sirozha]

There are a million problems with the Canadian system. When I was sick and on a waiting list for eye surgery all I did was look for alternatives in the USA. Paying cash would have been cheaper than the two years I was pretty much disabled. I also had to pay privately for an MRI on the suspicion I had MS. Because that was not an acute concern it was a 6 month wait.

Then there are the taxes and cost of living issues associated with living in Canada. Everything is taxed to pieces and our currency is devalued by 30% to help pay for all of it.

And if you have a complaint or there is malpractice you have no recourse as the system is protected from litigation. Everyone writes letters to their MP's begging for help.

In my case I would much rather have the extra money and the ability to pay premiums and control my care.

I’m on a waiting list to see a neurologist in the US. The wait is over 8 months.

 

[Shirasaki]

A simple answer from a simple mind?

Not like trump supporters have complex mind anyway I’d say?
Those supporters are what communist party want desperately though.

 

[sirozha]

And guess what? Better treatment and environment costs money. Sure, we should concentrate on training our citizens in USA to be capable of performing manufacturing jobs. How about raising the price of iPhone iPad or better yet, all electronics? The money has to come from somewhere. I wonder where.

iPhones and iPads can be made by robots. You can hire people to program, service, and maintain the robots. Robotic assembly will bring manufacturing costs down. No one is saying that Americans should be building iPhones with their hands. We are about to enter the third decade of the 21st century. Robotic manufacturing of electronics is feasible today even if wasn’t possible a few decades ago.

 

[Shirasaki]

I think that is just a secondary goal in the tariff debates.

The main goal of the tariffs is to pressure China into changing their laws on IP theft.

But it is difficult to pressure a country that ignores all rules and laws with laws and rules. We may resort to fight fire with fire.
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iPhones and iPad can be made by robots. You can hire people to program, service, and maintain the robots.

Yes, that’s what USA can do and should do to reduce the reliance on China’s manufacturing capabilities. The key point is how long it will take to see this vision comes into fruition.

 

[hagjohn]

But it is difficult to pressure a country that ignores all rules and laws with laws and rules. We may resort to fight fire with fire.
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Yes, that’s what USA can do and should do to reduce the reliance on China’s manufacturing capabilities. The key point is how long it will take to see this vision comes into fruition.

As long as large corporations have pressure from wall street to have the the biggest profits they can get, every quarter, this problem will not get solved. It's not just a simple answer of moving jobs back to the US. There are other factors that a company has to deal with.

 

[Rocketman]

After reading all the hate and vile in upvoted posts (echo chamber), does anyone here at all know why the tariffs are even being issued? The expected positive outcome? The fact it only applies to ONE country? Someone here must be able to check their political brain freeze at the door long enough to see there is reason behind the policy, and notably it is actually working.

When Apple sells a product there is a buyer and a seller. When they offer more features but sell at a higher price point, there is a ying and a yang. None of this is one-sided in a vacuum. It is being done to reverse decades of us building up China on the false promise they would become at minimum WTO compliant, if not some progress toward human rights.

Crickets. This is the proper and valid response to outright lies and cheating. I for one am a payer of tariffs and find the small % fee to be well worth pulling our head out of our arse.

Down vote that, echo chamber.

 

[Lerxt]

Lets vote for someone who has 6 business bankruptcies in his background. What could happen?

And who has Russian Oligarchs countersigning his loans...

 

[Guda.FL]

Basic supply and demand model would disagree with your assertion. Passing the cost to the consumer would make the product more expensive. Consumers drive the price elasticity of demand. If the cost goes up, demand will certainly go down. There is such thing as price equilibrium, you know. It would definitely hurt Apple.

In fact, when Trump (who by the way is a complete idiot) talked about how great the tariffs are and how they boosted the economy only considered lagging indicators. Of course, demand spiked, consumer spending spiked, earnings spiked because of the anticipated increase in economic costs to produce goods in China. Someone will have to pay for that cost. Short term demand spike can be seen in a rearview mirror with clarity.

Look at the leading indicators. Durable good orders are trending downward, yield, bonds, and other financial indicators of economic health are pointing downward. The yield curve inverted recently -- a telltale sign of recession, although this economic cycle is so out of wack, no one really knows what will happen. Consumer spending is showing signs of slowing down. Remember, it accounts for nearly 70% of the economic engine that drives GDP and growth. Consumer confidence is declining. Wages are stagnating and the economy is generating fewer jobs than expected.

Recession is coming. We're overdue for one. Trump's so-called "policy" will accelerate it.

To those who say "China is cheating us" I suggest you open a book. At this point, any book. Preferably any economic book. Yes, there are challenges, such as forced technology transfer and other policies that impact our core competency as a country but those issues can be resolved without blowing up the global economy. The private sector was well on the way toward solving them in fact. It's not one-sided either. China could well make an argument America, with its focus on manufacturing automation, is attempting to hurt China's core economic competency which is low-skill labor. Then again, I spend a lot of time over there. They are moving toward a service-based economy at a rapid pace. Within the next few years, China will be the worlds largest economy. We can benefit from it. Or we can do what Trump does.

Long post, sorry.
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You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your perception of our trade relationship with China and of the Chinese approach to business is not even remotely in the realm of reality. I suggest you try to put aside your preconceived ideas and try to research the issue by consulting credible sources. I'll be happy to point you in the right direction.
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In reality, some of the tariffs will be absorbed by the supply chain as well. I see it every day. Plus, China has already responded by devaluating its currency. It's down at least 10% by now if not more. Factories look for ways to reduce cost. Retailers here are pushing pretty hard for it. Outside of China options are growing at a rapid pace. I personally know factories that have already set up operations in Vietnam, Malasia, etc.

But yes, consumers, Apple, and our economy will also be greatly impacted.

There’s a Russian puppet in the usr (United States of Russia), and the trade wars is one of the strings in the puppet master’s show.

Only the puppet master wins.

Drink, drink more.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Just about everything is going up because of these tariffs. Was just talking my local bike shop, they are no longer selling kids bikes because they have gone up about $120 each. So, I a nice kids bike that would cost about $100, is $220 now.
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I'm assuming you forgot the /s...

Huh? That doesn't make any sense. 15% of 100 is $115, and based off of other companies I've seen online, they've managed to keep the increase to ~7%, and the next model will have the 15% baked into the price. Assuming your bike shop is importing from China, they should be able to sell the bike for $107 or so, without losing money.

I think your bike shop just doesn't want to sell kids bikes anymore, personally.

 

[libertysat]

TTT

trumps tariff tax

 

[i-John]

Just about everything is going up because of these tariffs. Was just talking my local bike shop, they are no longer selling kids bikes because they have gone up about $120 each. So, I a nice kids bike that would cost about $100, is $220 now.
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I'm assuming you forgot the /s...

You do realize that something costs $100 and now costs $220 ISN'T because of a 15% tariff, right? That's just an ******* gouging people and trying to blame it on tariffs, and rely on people who can't do simple math.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

That doesn’t hurt Apple... they will eventually pass it off to consumers. Thanks failure of a President

You're absolutely right. I wish President Obama would have not turned a blind eye to China's practices. I'm very thankful that President Trump is finally doing something.

 

[Hieveryone]

Our companies are giving jobs and business to China and China is stealing all of our stuff and cheating us. Time to find a new country to do business with. We're not gonna take it.
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A simple answer from a simple mind?

A simple answer for a simple mind.
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I’m on a waiting list to see a neurologist in the US. The wait is over 8 months.

Whenever I have to wait a long time, I just find another doctor who will see me sooner.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

They’re published. I’d say it’s interesting and a shame you don’t take the time to read and become informed.

You mean something like this?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...e-450-to-make-nearly-a-200-profit-margin/amp/

A far cry from your previous post?

 

[peterdevries]

Basic supply and demand model would disagree with your assertion. Passing the cost to the consumer would make the product more expensive. Consumers drive the price elasticity of demand. If the cost goes up, demand will certainly go down. There is such thing as price equilibrium, you know. It would definitely hurt Apple.

In fact, when Trump (who by the way is a complete idiot) talked about how great the tariffs are and how they boosted the economy only considered lagging indicators. Of course, demand spiked, consumer spending spiked, earnings spiked because of the anticipated increase in economic costs to produce goods in China. Someone will have to pay for that cost. Short term demand spike can be seen in a rearview mirror with clarity.

Look at the leading indicators. Durable good orders are trending downward, yield, bonds, and other financial indicators of economic health are pointing downward. The yield curve inverted recently -- a telltale sign of recession, although this economic cycle is so out of wack, no one really knows what will happen. Consumer spending is showing signs of slowing down. Remember, it accounts for nearly 70% of the economic engine that drives GDP and growth. Consumer confidence is declining. Wages are stagnating and the economy is generating fewer jobs than expected.

Recession is coming. We're overdue for one. Trump's so-called "policy" will accelerate it.

To those who say "China is cheating us" I suggest you open a book. At this point, any book. Preferably any economic book. Yes, there are challenges, such as forced technology transfer and other policies that impact our core competency as a country but those issues can be resolved without blowing up the global economy. The private sector was well on the way toward solving them in fact. It's not one-sided either. China could well make an argument America, with its focus on manufacturing automation, is attempting to hurt China's core economic competency which is low-skill labor. Then again, I spend a lot of time over there. They are moving toward a service-based economy at a rapid pace. Within the next few years, China will be the worlds largest economy. We can benefit from it. Or we can do what Trump does.

Long post, sorry.
[doublepost=1567276600][/doublepost]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your perception of our trade relationship with China and of the Chinese approach to business is not even remotely in the realm of reality. I suggest you try to put aside your preconceived ideas and try to research the issue by consulting credible sources. I'll be happy to point you in the right direction.
[doublepost=1567276959][/doublepost]

In reality, some of the tariffs will be absorbed by the supply chain as well. I see it every day. Plus, China has already responded by devaluating its currency. It's down at least 10% by now if not more. Factories look for ways to reduce cost. Retailers here are pushing pretty hard for it. Outside of China options are growing at a rapid pace. I personally know factories that have already set up operations in Vietnam, Malasia, etc.

But yes, consumers, Apple, and our economy will also be greatly impacted.

It’s too bad that most people here skip past anything that is more than a Twitter sized piece of text. Because many would do good to read some of this.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

You mean, Clinton. He was the one who pushed American businesses in that.
[doublepost=1567268897][/doublepost]We do not need China, China needs us!

You mean Reagan. He championed outsourcing....which lead to the overseas exodus.