28-Inch '4K' Display from Dell Priced at $699, Launches January 23

[apple_iBoy]

Or it will but not at 4k. Since the GPUs etc aren't 4k in the iMac.

Is this really the case? How can a GPU drive multiple Thunderbolt displays with ease but not a single 4K display?

I need to read more about this to understand it better. But my impression was that the issue was the bandwidth restriction of Thunderbolt v.1, not a lack of GPU power. If my understanding is correct, I wonder if something akin to a "dual link" connection involving both Thunderbolt ports connected to a single 4K screen would be possible?

 

[gnasher729]

My current 1080p monitor looks incredibly clear to me. It seems like manufacturers are pushing these higher resolutions just to sell more products at higher prices. At some point, is the human eye going to be able to see that much of a difference in the image quality?

Two different questions: 1. Can you look at two images and say which one is better? 2. Are your eyes happier after looking at one screen for hours, compared to another screen?

I find the rMBP display easier to read for hours than a cMBP display. Small icons are easier to recognise actually. And then I have a Dell 27" 1920x1080 which is also very nice to read (really big characters! ) even if I can see pixels but you'll only appreciate that if you are past 40.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Are you kidding me? The Dell monitors are great. You've obviously never used one.

Apple's Koolaid tastes great, I understand.

Actually, they've all got hardware scaling which ends up lowering their response rates. Apple monitors are more bare bones and have no built in scaling and are, surprisingly, better PC gaming monitors.

 

[Thares]

So, does anyone know if a 2012 1st gen 15" rMBP can drive a 4k display? I think the answer is no, but haven't gotten a clear answer.

As I have also the Retina MacBook Pro from 2012 (with a NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M), I searched the web for it:

• Maximum resolution according do NVIDIA itself is 3840 x 2160 (http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gt-650m/specifications)
  
• Quote from a guy in those Apple forums: "rMBP (15-inch in particular) can output 4K through HDMI @ 24Hz, but only in Windows (Bootcamp)" (https://discussions.apple.com/message/21785853#21785853)
  
• And 3rd: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1505499/c...-digital-se39uy04-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-650m

So, in short: yes - and no.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Except for the issues with proprietary connectors that get abandoned in 2 years for a new proprietary connector, power bricks that fail that aren't supported anymore, leaving the monitor useless....

But to be fair, most of the problems Apple has in monitors are the ones in the iMacs..

Apple is my last choice now for buying stand-alone monitors.

Apple monitors use industry standards. In fact, the only proprietary connection on my mac is the power jack.

What proprietary connector has been abandoned in 2 years from Apple anyway?

 

[thekeyring]

Will my 13" MacBook Pro (mid 2012) drive one of these?

Wait... Why are you laughing?

 

[gnasher729]

$100 more gets an ASUS one with +120 Hz and G-Sync. Though at this time I am unsure if it is IPS.

120 Hz at 3840 x 2160? I'd read the fine print very closely to find out what the "120 Hz" actually means. Screen refresh at that rate would require 3 GByte or 24 Gbit per second, which is a bit much.

 

[GenesisST]

Ignorance is bliss... I'm avoiding looking at rMBP and these until I want/need to upgrade my MBP... If my iPad 3 is any indication, I can't go back to lower resolutions...

 

[Iconoclysm]

I just hope that if Apple comes out with a reasonable new display, even if it's not 4k yet, they give at least 1 additional input method. Even if it's normal display port or HDMI.

being stuck being able to use the display with ONLY my Macbook air is a non starter for me completely. I have a desktop and a server that gets plugged in to my displays as well. Neither of them are Thunderbolt driven

An $8 displayport to mini-displayport adapter works with my servers, and almost every modern video card comes with mini-displayport. Both of my cards have 4 of them in fact.

 

[IbisDoc]

LOL at anyone who ordered that $3600 Sharp display that Apple is trying to sell on its website.

 

[AndyUnderscoreR]

If it has a 60Hz refresh, then it sounds great... but I'm not quite convinced that 28" QuadHD is a sweet spot for a computer monitor. The pixels are going to be uncomfortably small at 1x, and at 2x there's not enough screen real estate for my liking. If there was a 1.5x mode in OSX (or arbitrary scaling), then I'd be a lot more happy.

 

[57004]

What I don't get is why this 28" is double the price of the 24"... I'd love a 24" 4K to use as a retina screen. 28" is just too big and the DPI just a bit too low.. But 1500 is too much for me. I'll just have to wait for them to come down in price I guess.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Well, decently priced for a change. I would have expected the 32" for that price, but I would expect that for the future.

 

[Mattsasa]

Why do we call 3.84k displays 4k again?

 

[flux73]

Its still only a 28" display and currently movies won't take advantage of the increase in resolution anyway as most all are 1080 so for watching movies you still may wanna just buy a bigger hd tv set

Season 2 of House of Cards will be 4K for those who have capable sets (and of course, enough bandwidth). We can assume that others will quickly follow.

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Why do we call 3.84k displays 4k again?

Because 4K rolls off the tongue easier than 3.84K.

 

[glitch44]

What I don't get is why this 28" is double the price of the 24"... I'd love a 24" 4K to use as a retina screen. 28" is just too big and the DPI just a bit too low.. But 1500 is too much for me. I'll just have to wait for them to come down in price I guess.

AFAIK it's because it's more expensive to produce smaller panels with the same number of pixels. The PPI will be higher and it will appear sharper.

With coupons the UP2414Q was down to $1200 a couple weeks ago. Still not cheap, but cheaper.

 

[flux73]

28" 4K monitor with low-glare glass, thin-profile, TB2 input and outputs for $999.
Come on Apple - make it happen!

 

[garya73]

Why do we call 3.84k displays 4k again?

Is that why MR put 4K in quotes in the initial article?

 

[timotheezz]

Will the current gen 2012 Mac Mini be able to drive this? HD4000 integrated gpu...

I want one!

I, too, would like to know. I was already considering one of Dell's 27" 2560x1440 monitors, but if I can get 4k, why not? Highly doubtful our diminutive Mac can output to 4k...

 

[Carlanga]

Awesome.
I'm read to get a big 1080tv on clearance
And yes I know this is a monitor.

 

[calaverasgrande]

Why do we call 3.84k displays 4k again?

because HD is a house built on sand.
is it 1080i at 59.94 or 1080p at 29.97?
Or is it 720p at 60? Or maybe its 1080p at 24?

Where I work we do everything at 1080i 59.94 but have to transcode all of the above and more. And that isn't even getting into XDcam and H264.

 

[yg17]

Apple monitors use industry standards. In fact, the only proprietary connection on my mac is the power jack.

What proprietary connector has been abandoned in 2 years from Apple anyway?

Thunderbolt might as well be proprietary. It's pretty much only used by Apple and the current TB display can't be plugged into anything else.

My Dell monitor supports nearly every video connector under the sun - DisplayPort, HDMI, VGA, DVI (two of them!), component and if for some reason you need it, composite.

 

[melendezest]

Apple needs to hurry up and release an updated Haswell Mac Mini with thunderbolt 2 that can drive 4k displays.

Agreed!

Or, even better, release the mythical "xMac": an iMac without the monitor.

Now that I would buy immediately.

I just don't expect it to happen.

 

[PatriotInvasion]

Can someone explain how on earth Sharp can justify $3,500 for their 32" display when Dell is selling what looks to be a perfectly capable display at just $699??

If this is a quality panel, I feel like Apple's display could be coming any day. But, what I really want is a 4K iMac.

 

[Photoshopper]

At that price I'm guessing the color gamut won't match my Dell U3011, which is a great display.
Probably will only be capable of sRGB, which I guess is fine for most folks. Unless I was editing a lot of 4k video, not sure I need resolution beyond 2560 x 1600 for my desktop.