I think the SE's success had less to do with its small size and more to do with other things like low price, home button/Touch ID, LCD screen, and enterprise sales.
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I think the SE's success had less to do with its small size and more to do with other things like low price, home button/Touch ID, LCD screen, and enterprise sales.
Are you just going by what you read here?
This website literally does nothing for Apple sales, nor does even come close to remotely driving public opinion.
My wife has one, loves it. My mom has one too, her first phone.. she's a boomer.. she likes it.
I would never buy one. But that's how it goes, right?
Given that we didn’t even get a 2023 SE, I get the feeling it’s not won many favourable fans outside of Japan.
Looking at typical iPhone sales stats to in recent times, the SE barely makes it in the top 5:
Apple First to Capture 8 Spots in List for Global Top 10 Smartphones - Counterpoint
- Apple First to Capture 8 Spots in List for Global Top 10 Smartphones - Counterpoint
www.counterpointresearch.com
The current 2023 stats are looking even worse for the SE, Japan seems to be one of the few markets where it has seen decent uptake:
Top 5 Smartphone Models Share For 8 Countries - Counterpoint
- Top 5 Smartphone Models Share For 8 Countries - Counterpoint
www.counterpointresearch.com
Japan is an interesting market as it seems smaller phones are typically preferred there now, quite the contrast to their Keitai phone trend of the 2000s where they rocked huge flip ups.
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My point was that its success may have had little to do with its small size as people purchased it for other reasons. Some may have simply "tolerated" the small size and bought it because it was cheap (relative to other iPhones), had home button/Touch ID, an LCD screen, etc. Some may have gotten it from their employer and had no say in the matter.
I am going by reported sales estimates which have shown the mini didn't do well for Apple, and small phones in the overall smartphone market aren't big sellers.
Thanks for this... This will really annoy a lot of Androids.Given that we didn’t even get a 2023 SE, I get the feeling it’s not won many favourable fans outside of Japan.
Looking at typical iPhone sales stats to in recent times, the SE barely makes it in the top 5:
View attachment 2329688Apple First to Capture 8 Spots in List for Global Top 10 Smartphones - Counterpoint
- Apple First to Capture 8 Spots in List for Global Top 10 Smartphones - Counterpoint
The current 2023 stats are looking even worse for the SE, Japan seems to be one of the few markets where it has seen decent uptake:
Top 5 Smartphone Models Share For 8 Countries - Counterpoint
- Top 5 Smartphone Models Share For 8 Countries - Counterpoint
Japan is an interesting market as it seems smaller phones are typically preferred there now, quite the contrast to their Keitai phone trend of the 2000s where they rocked huge flip ups.
BTW is there a graphic for 2023?
No graphic for 2023 yet, I am guessing we will see it sometime in late Jan/early Feb 2024 once all sales of Q4 2023 are tallied up.
I'm not too bothered by how the lineup or software has changed. I think that's just the nature of a maturing product - one that has arguably become the least dispensable thing we own with the target demographic widening by the day. These devices need to do more for more people.
What I do miss is Steve himself. His candor, showmanship, and genuine joy about what they were doing at Apple, even when they made mistakes. I just don't feel the same from the current leadership. Nowadays, it seems like a lot of scripted PR and pandering.
What I do miss is Steve himself. His candor, showmanship, and genuine joy about what they were doing at Apple, even when they made mistakes. I just don't feel the same from the current leadership. Nowadays, it seems like a lot of scripted PR and pandering.
Best in what? Topping out the price range? Best colours? These statements tend to fall flat shortly after they are released to the wild.
Here's my take. Apple was forced to expand the lineup because as the world evolved and competition got better with more choices apple had to follow. Skeuomorphism hit it's peak with IOS 6 and adored by apple fans because Jobs told these fans to be enamored, but the world was headed in a different direction. Apple screwed up on maps and that was that for Forstall. And because you didn't clamor for a software fix on ios 6 doesn't mean there weren't bugs.
As time went on and the competition started catching up with hardware Apple could not sit still. In contrast of Jobs approach for making the best products for a small base, Cook expanded the product line and started making the best products for a wider audience.
A generalized blanket statement. Seems many don't have hesitancy to upgrade ios versions. With a billion iphones out there people do what they want. People wanting to upgrade or not is not a metric that can logically be applied to criticize an aspect of Apple.
This has been the case for day one especially Apple not introducing common features or brushing over bad hardware. Missing copy and paste or "you're holding it wrong" comes to mind. Let's not pretend in the Jobs area things were 100%.
This is an opinion only and the reason Apple is doing so well. It focuses on a wider range of product and capabilities across price points.
The strategy does seem to be working.
So when a cogent argument is nowhere to be had, throw some ad-homs as reinforcement.
The Apple you want is in the past. Things aren't going back in the direction. You can mourn for it, remember it, but those days are long gone.
- The most complete range of iPhones covering all price points - from insanely affordable, to insanely great.
- The most pro iPhone Pro ever with A15 Pro introducing technologies seen in next-gen consoles and high-end graphics cards from Nvidia and Intel.
- The most powerful camera system ever in any smartphone with iPhone 15 Pro Max.
- The most advanced mobile operating system running exclusively on the most advanced SoC.
- The most iPhone ever.
I believe one of the reasons for the smaller options in the early years of the iPhone was Apple reducing risk. They didn't want to build too large of an inventory of unsold models since it costs money to take unsold inventory back, or risk getting into cutting prices too much. At some point, they became better able to manage inventory.
Technology improved, and they were able to at least reduce the number of model necessary to cover the world. No longer a need for a Verizon/Sprint model, a T-Mobile model, and an ATT model. They modems could handle more bands.
But still not perfect. The Mini models didn't sell as well as expected. For me, it was the camera.
Technology improved, and they were able to at least reduce the number of model necessary to cover the world. No longer a need for a Verizon/Sprint model, a T-Mobile model, and an ATT model. They modems could handle more bands.
But still not perfect. The Mini models didn't sell as well as expected. For me, it was the camera.
All hollow marketing phrases. Evolutionary products tend to be better than their previous generations.
Plus of course an entire paragraph of downsides that you chose to ignore that the op laid out and would be a direct counter point to “best”.
I miss being able to buy a phone without worrying about it affecting my eyesight and giving me headaches.
No, not really.
Steve was a visionary for sure and his iPhone captured the moment of years of technology evolutions coming to fruitation. It took years and years of development and incremental improvement to reach that revolutionary moment. And I don't see the next one happening anytime soon. AI, quantum computing and 5/6/7G are all years away from the next super nova moment.
So I have no romanticized notion that only if Steve Jobs were alive there would be endless innovations.
Steve was a visionary for sure and his iPhone captured the moment of years of technology evolutions coming to fruitation. It took years and years of development and incremental improvement to reach that revolutionary moment. And I don't see the next one happening anytime soon. AI, quantum computing and 5/6/7G are all years away from the next super nova moment.
So I have no romanticized notion that only if Steve Jobs were alive there would be endless innovations.
One thing I am not sure I understand, is the desire of many of Apple's fans for "tight" and "focused" product lines. This seems to happen across all of Apple's products, not just phones. As long as you have a product you like, I am not sure I understand why a diverse product offering is a negative. I guess fewer options makes purchasing decisions easier, but it doesn't do much to improve the user experience of the product you do buy
There's no sense arguing directly who writes paragraph(s) that are completely opposed to my perspective. I'm not going to persuade them they are wrong, and likewise I will never agree with them.
If you come prepared with a mindset that your opinion can never be changed, why come here, to throw absolutist statements around? The entire point of a forum is for the community to interact. At least that’s why most of the users come here for.
Just you wait. If the OLED iPad & Mac becomes true you will be in for a treat!
My opinion can be changed by facts. Happens all the time. However, the mods on this forum generally take a dim view of arguing for the sake of arguing.
So I gave my opinion on the subject without replying to the first post. And I respond to the replies like yours if I feel a reply is worthwhile.
Just a fruity little device from a former age meant to compete with lollipops and ice cream sandwiches.