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djlythium

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If it were not for the enacting of the emergency powers act these vaccines would still be in testing, for probably a year/s...aka "experimental".

Watch any 90 second TV ad for any drug, its 30 seconds of how wonderful your life will be followed by 60 seconds of all the horrible things the drug can possibly do to you. Those drugs went through the normal testing procedure. These vaccines where fast tracked.

I am not saying you should not take them. If I was over 70, I would for sure take it. I have had my first shot, because my employer is in an industry that is consider "essential". We were asked to the let our management know if we were going to take the arranged vaccine. We went on a Sunday and half of my team was there (14 of us). I am sure I could have said "no" but many of us felt we were being "voluntold" and did not want to be on some list of those that did not take it.

Considering my status, in great health and well under 70, I would personally not want to get covid or a the vaccine that at best gives me a 95% chance of surviving a virus that only has a .3% (at best) chance of killing me.
I'll just leave this here (assuming Mayo Clinic is any kind of credible [spoiler alert: they are.]): https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked/

You're spot-on about Op Warp Speed pulling resources to the creation of these vaccines, but you're incorrect about them not going through normal testing procedures, as if 'fast tracking' = 'cutting corners'. It's a common myth. At any given time, resources needed to create new drugs are extremely limited, and prioritized. Now, imagine stopping virtually all other processes to focus resources on one major issue, because that's what happened here. Things can get done very efficaciously if there is enough backing. ?
 

A MacBook lover

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It's no secret that anti-intellectualism has run rampant here in the United States, but it's a shame to see so much of it here on macrumors :(

It has certainly gotten worse since the start of Trump's presidency. Not really surprising considering he treated expert opinion and advise like it was worthless and pretended himself to be an expert in every field. But the roots of the issue are definitely deeper than just one president.
Agreed, many people here are anti-intellectualism. It’s rampant in the USA and this forum.

What’s worse, people don’t think ahead, or critically. Like, how is 5+ trillion in debt going to be paid off? How is it Florida and other countries are doing fine, while countries and states who far over-reacted with shutdowns, actually had worse numbers?

Hamstringing businesses, putting millions out of work, causing depression and fear - to what end? It certainly didn’t save lives.

It’s sad that people don’t use their brain. They just repeat what the news tells them and take it as fact, rather than doing deep research. These people are anti-science and critical thinking.
 

hmmfe

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Feb 28, 2003
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...How is it Florida and other countries are doing fine, ...

Your point may still be valid but how is it that Florida is "doing fine"? If Florida was its own country it would be in the top 20 countries in per capita deaths and top 10 in cases per capita. Florida is middle of the pack in terms of US states but that is relative to the very poor showing as a country as a whole.

I hope you are not trying to compare Florida with Japan, Australia, Taiwan etc. Because Florida's per capita rates are several orders of magnitude greater than these countries.

I know there are a lot of reasons for these differences. But, I just can't fathom how anyone could hold up Florida as some model of success?

-edit for typo
 
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Mac... nificent

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Agreed, many people here are anti-intellectualism. It’s rampant in the USA and this forum.

What’s worse, people don’t think ahead, or critically. Like, how is 5+ trillion in debt going to be paid off? How is it Florida and other countries are doing fine, while countries and states who far over-reacted with shutdowns, actually had worse numbers?

Hamstringing businesses, putting millions out of work, causing depression and fear - to what end? It certainly didn’t save lives.

It’s sad that people don’t use their brain. They just repeat what the news tells them and take it as fact, rather than doing deep research. These people are anti-science and critical thinking.
Well stated 👍
 

Unity451

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You'd be surprised how mostly symbolic things like the Presidency can make a real difference in people's attitudes and lives

Perhaps, but just wait until actual socialist policies from a democratic controlled government begin being forced on Americans that don't buy into that nonsense.

You'd be surprised how actual things like the upheaval of someone's rights and morality will make a real difference in people's attitudes and lives.
 
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wigby

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You'd be surprised how actual things like the upheaval of someone's rights and morality will make a real difference in people's attitudes and lives.
Some of us believe our rights are more important than others’ lives.
 
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wigby

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Agreed, many people here are anti-intellectualism. It’s rampant in the USA and this forum.

What’s worse, people don’t think ahead, or critically. Like, how is 5+ trillion in debt going to be paid off? How is it Florida and other countries are doing fine, while countries and states who far over-reacted with shutdowns, actually had worse numbers?

Hamstringing businesses, putting millions out of work, causing depression and fear - to what end? It certainly didn’t save lives.

It’s sad that people don’t use their brain. They just repeat what the news tells them and take it as fact, rather than doing deep research. These people are anti-science and critical thinking.
So you’re saying when there is a pandemic we should listen to economists and not doctors.
 
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