That's true. But still only 25% share. Is it enough for EU? I don't know.
Should iMessage and similar messaging standards be open and cross-platform? Would it be beneficial for customers? Yes!
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Apple Argues iMessage Isn't Popular Enough in the EU to Be Regulated
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Should iMessage and similar messaging standards be open and cross-platform? Would it be beneficial for customers? Yes!
Oh god. Addidas AG is listed as an innovative tech company?Are you for real? Plenty of European innovative tech companies. Your comment seems to be typical American view - we have all and others do not have anything. That's really out of reality. Did you travel to the Europe at least once?
Some source to back-up my claim https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-most-innovative-companies-europe-201200980.html?guccounter=1
What are the 10 most innovative European companies?
Answer: In depends massively on how you define innovation, as you can see from three online lists that all ostensibly answer this question. The World's Most Innovative Companies by Forbes uses the concept of "Innovation Premium", calculated by comparing Net Present Value of cash flows from exist...www.quora.com
Hermes is listed as #1. LVMH is listed as #2.
I think you proved yourself wrong.
So Europe's most innovative tech companies are two luxury goods companies that use models and marketing to sell overpriced handbags and perfumes?
You're joking right?
And before you continue, yes, there are innovative tech companies in Europe. But most of them are not very competitive on the world stage. There are, of course, some that are competitive. I'm speaking as a whole.
No it does not, that’s the theoretical upper limit. I have an iPhone and never use iMessage, nor do I know anyone with an iPhone that uses iMessage.
For me, SMS is something for automated things, like 2nd factor authentication, deliveries from the post office, stuff like that. I get perhaps 1-2 SMSes from humans a year, and those aren’t iMessages but just regular SMS.
Otherwise, Signal and WhatsApp all the way.
Maybe read all sources
The 2014 EU Industrial R&D Investment Scoreboard
meanwhile uses simply R&D investment. By this metric, a surprising 19 of the top 50 most innovative companies are European, with the top 10 consisting of: Volkswagen (1), Novartis (5), Roche (6), Daimler (10), BMW (13), Sanofi-Aventis (14), Robert Bosch (16), Siemens (19), GlaxoSmithKline (21) and Airbus (27).
The World's Most Innovative Companies
by Fast Company finally "assesses thousands of businesses based on creativity, real-world impact, risk taking, and execution". According to this metric, just 5 of the top 50 companies are European and that's only if you count Israel! These are Shazam (19), Water-Gen (21), Johnnie Walker (31), Nice Systems (48) and Philips (50).
Yep, definitely no innovative tech companies in the Europe. (sarcasm)
iPhone has roughly 50% share in the UK but iMessage is quite rare. I use Snapchat, Facebook messenger and WhatsApp
That's how they play the game. It's a total repeat of the USA Vs USSR geo-political false duopoly to create the space race, arms race etc. etc. It's a false construct, false competition.
This time and in this context it's a kind of USA Vs EUSSR dynamic, so the US provides the maverick cutting edge innovation (silicon valley effect), then the single block EUSSR politburo push through this kind of centralised regulation and affect the whole system by being such a large global market block, it gets implemented and adopted by devs internally and externally because they all want to play in that bloc, sorry "market", it's command and control centralisation by the back door ( but it couldn't begin until most of that tech was smuggled or exported to CCP, to establish the new computing or manufacturing and tech bloc to undermine the US dominance), the end game is total world domination and big tech is one of those means to achieve it. Simple terms it's a Good cop bad cop in a simple sense.
Ha ha so many disagree with my proviso comments, one wonders are they even in the EU, if they are they must have taken the kool-aid, for those that "disagree" do you even EU bro?
“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”
― Aldous HuxleyI'm sure we'll all enjoy our imminent upgrade to "hate speech" or to be more accurate, the EUSSR EOL of freedom of speech for all the gulag.
Sometimes it does feel like Apple resist this but they also seem very much part of the the big ESG love's too, so it's hard to tell.
Many of those aren't even tech companies. Johnnie Walker, a whisky company, is now an innovative tech company according to this guy. Yikes.
You just proved my point. Again.
Better than your “innovative” workplace where you can be fired after 20 years because the boss didn’t like your shoes that day
I thought a gatekeeper is defined by its overall company wide stats and not individually by each service? That’s kind of ridiculous and almost impossible to control?
Also, isn’t iMessage enabled by default? So every iPhone user in the EU is technically an iMessage user, even if they don’t use it
Also, isn’t iMessage enabled by default? So every iPhone user in the EU is technically an iMessage user, even if they don’t use it
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Also, I think Apple are playing a losing game if their position is to find legal loopholes to escape the regulation.
I also am a European iMessage user (literally since the day it was launched) as I like it better than competitors, but social constraints are forcing me to use a few other Messaging apps to communicate with non-Apple users ( most iMessage users in Europe are in this situation).
Regardless of Apple managing to escape the regulation, if the market turns into a situation whereby all messaging Apps are interoperable except iMessage, in the name of convenience I will personally dump iMessage and pick whichever other App gives me the best compromise between UX/privacy while providing full interoperability with everything except iMessage (all my Apple contacts also have at least another messaging App than iMessage, so by dumping iMessage I won’t lose touch with anyone).
My point is that regardless of their legal entitlement to do it, by refusing to make iMessage interoperable Apple will gradually kill it in Europe as fewer and fewer people will want to use the only messaging App on the market which is completely isolated. And as increasingly more people leave the ecosystem, even the most hardcore supporters will be forced to transition out as there is no point in a messaging App if most of your contacts cant be reached with it.
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What makes it better? I’ve never used it, but what I do know is my Facebook account has been hacked many times but my phone number not so much so I tend to be more appreciative of iMessage.
Do they get hacked as often as Facebook accounts? If not what keeps them more secure and why doesn’t Meta apply that to the Facebook app?
Agree. TBH I thing regardless of the legality of it, keeping iMessage as the only major instant messaging platform which isn’t interoperable with other ones is a losing hand to play for Apple (unless they don’t mind letting it die out in Europe, which is possible as well as the commercial benefit they are getting from it seems to be mostly in North America).
Clearly you've never met anyone in Sales or Marketing.
Actually I too hate WhatsApp but it is a lot more hassle, the desktop versions and iPad versions keep logging out and I have to constantly "add a device" the softeware is really poor. I really think that MSN was better than WhatsApp but it is what everyone uses.
The fact that he has to Google it to find some "tech" names already proves your point.
Anyone can name at least 5 US tech companies without any hesitation.
As a European, I can even name more Chinese or Japanese tech companies than European ones, and that's sad. This over-regulated environment is killing us.
Didn’t read your wall of text after the first sentence but it’s not like the EU only deemed American companies a gatekeeper. Spotify is one as well and they are Swedish and Samsung South Korean
WhatsApp wasn't created by Facebook/Meta, just bought by them to limit the competition (and do yet more data collection) as usual. Previously there weren't ads, among other things.
As long as Meta doesn’t end up monitoring and tracking my iMessages.
No one over 30 uses snapchat and no one over 40 uses Facebook Messenger.
You gotta love how Apple always throws their own products under the bus and goes back against all their marketing whenever regulation draws close, like how they said "macOS is not secure at all" in regards to why they can't impliment sideloading on iOS. Hypocrites.
That's sales/shipments for one particular quarter but overall usage is a bit higher. According to Statcounter, the mobile OS share of iOS in Europe is currently around 34% (as high as 38% in the past 12 months) compared to around 66% for Android. By comparison, in the U.S. it's around 57% iOS to around 43% Android. Duopolies in both countries/regions.
You didn't need to preface your reply with such a caveat, because you point makes it obvious. You understand what "strong arm" means, the EUSSR is a strong-arm political bloc, and it's a festering croc at this point and they'll be used to "legally" break into the Apple eco-system (if CCP hasn't already been successful), not the US.
Think Patriot Acts for Tech.
Europeans did't need patriots Acts, becasue it's only the US people's who are fundamentally too free.
That needed to be fixed.
This is more of that fixing. It will never end under the EUSSR/CCP.