I don't know what people other than my family, friends, associates and MR posters think. I think many make this grand declaration of "hypocrisy" on recycled internet talking points though.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'Secretly' Signed $275 Billion Deal With China in 2016
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On one hand we have Apple lobbying against forced labor bill
On another we have Apple supply chain responsibiliy statement.
This is far from the only example.
Apple "success" is baed on selling us high end iPhones for $1200 made by Chinese children paid $5 a day - but that greed in not enough. So they put money and tech into a country that has millions of people in concentration camps in Xinjiang, and has an active organ harvesting program using political prisoners. Tim Cook made a big deal about Indiana's anti-gay laws, but turns a blind eye to millions of people being brutalized - and even helping the brutalizers. Its disgusting in all ways. But when the Chinese invade Taiwan as they keep promising, and the US is drawn into an actual war, its going to be apparent that Cook is a traitor.
On Amazon or iTunes you can buy the movie "Bleeding Edge" about organ harvesting in China, and there is a new movie called "Unsilenced" coming out tomorrow. There are great YouTube channels like laowhy86, serpentza, China Uncensored, NTD News, etc which highlight the constant crap going on in China.
No, it highlights the constant crap coming from the USA, silly conspiracy theories in order to justify sanctions, tariffs aand other forms of economic coercion.
Proof that this is happening in 2022 or has been factually true ever.
Don't think it's going to happen the way you believe it is.
If you, and if the US and its senile president, really believe that there are "concentration camps" and a "genocide" going on in Xinjiang, you should not just be doing a "diplomatic boycott". Instead, you should do a full boycott, take home your ambassador, stop all trade with China, and possibly go to war.
If you don't do that, you also don't really believe there is a "genocide" going on, "cultural" or not, and you should just keep your yappers shut. Because one of these days, there is going to be a very real genocide, like in Rwanda, and then nobody is going to listen to your crap if you cry wolf for nothing.
I agree - we should do a full boycott of the Genocide Olympics. Unfortunately I am not the president. About 8 countries are doing the diplomatic boycott, but there are countries like France and Germany that sell too many luxury goods to China so they won't stand up for what is right. Its a shame that Apple is an American company and yet its so deep in bed with the worst country in the world.
How much does a kid get to make an iPhone? Maybe its $1 an hour. Unfortunately we can't ask the ones who committed suicide. But even if its $2/hr ... its still Chinese stuff being sold as high end premium American stuff. And there is no hesitation for Apple to cooperate with the Chinese government removing VPN software, and allowing surveillance of Chinese dissidents - who are likely to end up behind bars. This is the same Tim Cook who would not help the FBI get into a terrorist's phone after he killed 20 people in California.
Proof that "a kid" makes an iphone was the original question...rather than some internet talking points. Or that Apple has turned a blind eye to conditions that don't meet their guidelines.
"Going postal" is a global issue.
Huh, what? Americans should live in glass houses because their house is not squeaky clean either.
Right and shows Tim is not a pushover.
is it any surprise? Why do we ever believe politicians or tech lords? Where is the historical data?
I’m sure he thinks it for the greater good.
But, Who watches the watchmen?
Bah… anyway, enjoy your life and don’t worry about crap outta your control. And remember. They are all sneaky fuklers.
I’m sure he thinks it for the greater good.
But, Who watches the watchmen?
Bah… anyway, enjoy your life and don’t worry about crap outta your control. And remember. They are all sneaky fuklers.
You are omitting the fact the FBI conveniently announced they wanted an extension as they had found a third party work around the day before the hearing that would have set the precedent. You don't do that if you have enough evidence to convince a judge that your request is reasonable.
If the terrorists had the present of mind to destroy their personal phones why would they be stupid enough to leave something related to the crime on a work phone?!
As expected with anyone with an actual brain in their head there was nothing related to the crime on the iPhone. The only thing that happened was $1.3 million (on the software itself) that could have been better spent was wasted and showed that the part of the FBI involved in this had less intelligence than a bag of hammers. As Cliff Stoll related in his book Cuckcoo Egg the quality of regional FBI offices varies from get the elevator to get the shaft.
Never mind Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo!, Twitter, LinkedIn, Amazon, Box, Cisco Systems, Dropbox, Evernote, Lavabit, Mozilla, Nest Labs, Pinterest, Slack Technologies, Snapchat, and WhatsApp were all on Apple's side.
The American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Access Now, the Center for Democracy and Technology, and even the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights also sided with Apple.
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You are focusing on the leaves and not the forrest. Apple has marketed itself as a company that protects user privacy - and thats a great thing. Although Facebook and others are not happy about it. The irony is that they throw all this out the window to sell in China. There are probably people in jail or executed thanks to surveillance of their iPhones in China.You are omitting the fact the FBI conveniently announced they wanted an extension as they had found a third party work around the day before the hearing that would have set the precedent. You don't do that if you have enough evidence to convince a judge that your request is reasonable.
If the terrorists had the present of mind to destroy their personal phones why would they be stupid enough to leave something related to the crime on a work phone?!
As expected with anyone with an actual brain in their head there was nothing related to the crime on the iPhone. The only thing that happened was $1.3 million (on the software itself) that could have been better spent was wasted and showed that the part of the FBI involved in this had less intelligence than a bag of hammers. As Cliff Stoll related in his book Cuckcoo Egg the quality of regional FBI offices varies from get the elevator to get the shaft.
Never mind Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo!, Twitter, LinkedIn, Amazon, Box, Cisco Systems, Dropbox, Evernote, Lavabit, Mozilla, Nest Labs, Pinterest, Slack Technologies, Snapchat, and WhatsApp were all on Apple's side.
The American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, Access Now, the Center for Democracy and Technology, and even the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights also sided with Apple.
Whether the Chinese worker makes $1 a day or $2 or $10 or $20, they are not getting $120 for 8 hours (minimum wage in the US). When I was in China, I saw plenty of fake Apple devices though.
Not really. See any decent video on China's Ghost Cities - retail speculation on a level that when it finally falls (and it will) will make the 2008 downturn look like a Sunday school outing.
The US Federal minimum wage is $7.25 which makes 8 hours of work $58 not $120. To put that in prospective the federal minimum wage ($1.60 an hour) was 90% of the poverty level in 1968. Adjusting that for inflation that works out to be $12.82 per hour. This assumes you can even find a 40 hour a week job (very unlikely)
Not sure about the message. Should factory workers make the same wage for the same job across the globe?
Funny how people forget about the Bhopal gas tragedy whose effects are still felt today 30 years later.
No. Apple doesn’t. Obeying local laws does not “throw this out the window”.
There is nothing wrong with China and as a business perspective it makes perfect sense. Go where the market is.
The problem as I see it the last time I checked Apple was an American company. They are trying to placate the Chinese by investments and tech sharing which is exactly the opposite that should be happening right now.
From the Chinese perspective they have nothing to lose and know they have the leverage of a vast untapped market of consumers against Apple's greed. Apple will give any concession because it will pay off financially and that is all they seem to care about.
I really don't understand it. Tim has enough money that he doesn't need to work another day in his life. He is set. So why the greed for more and more and more even at the cost of America?? He actually has the power to change things for the better.
Think is Apple invested 275 billion dollars in making factories here and hiring workers here? We can make the same things China can given the opportunity and don't tell me that there aren't a lot of Americans that would gladly work in a factory building things if the pay was good. Sure the bottom line might suffer a bit but I bet Americans would be willing to pay more for an American made device rather than a Chinese or Vietnamese or any other place where labor is cheap. It is just amazing these idiots not only give them the technology we have which is a national security threat but they also build factories to their specs in China building up the Chinese infrastructure while here in the USA are factories are old, outdated and crumbling if there are any left. This is pure insanity and NO one, including the so called politicians are doing or saying anything about it at all.
Meanwhile here in the USA we are becoming a 3rd world country and paying the Chinese for it while decimating our own factories and infrastructure.
The Chinese are extremely smart and persistent and it won't be too long that we are going to be #2 worlds leading economy and our corporations paid for the chance to screw us all.
The problem as I see it the last time I checked Apple was an American company. They are trying to placate the Chinese by investments and tech sharing which is exactly the opposite that should be happening right now.
From the Chinese perspective they have nothing to lose and know they have the leverage of a vast untapped market of consumers against Apple's greed. Apple will give any concession because it will pay off financially and that is all they seem to care about.
I really don't understand it. Tim has enough money that he doesn't need to work another day in his life. He is set. So why the greed for more and more and more even at the cost of America?? He actually has the power to change things for the better.
Think is Apple invested 275 billion dollars in making factories here and hiring workers here? We can make the same things China can given the opportunity and don't tell me that there aren't a lot of Americans that would gladly work in a factory building things if the pay was good. Sure the bottom line might suffer a bit but I bet Americans would be willing to pay more for an American made device rather than a Chinese or Vietnamese or any other place where labor is cheap. It is just amazing these idiots not only give them the technology we have which is a national security threat but they also build factories to their specs in China building up the Chinese infrastructure while here in the USA are factories are old, outdated and crumbling if there are any left. This is pure insanity and NO one, including the so called politicians are doing or saying anything about it at all.
Meanwhile here in the USA we are becoming a 3rd world country and paying the Chinese for it while decimating our own factories and infrastructure.
The Chinese are extremely smart and persistent and it won't be too long that we are going to be #2 worlds leading economy and our corporations paid for the chance to screw us all.
Because China is key to the worlds' future as it manufactures most of the worlds goods. If Apple didn't do business with China, iphone would cost more and Apple would make less. If the world didn't do business with China most of the durable goods would cost way more than they already do. What cost of America are you referring to?