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rtype

macrumors newbie
Dec 22, 2003
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dallas, nation of texas
Bulbs burn out over time. Not buying a projector because the bulb will eventually burn out is kinda like deciding not to buy a lamp. I expect to get to about a year and a half on my first bulb and then spend $300. Your mileage will vary with usage.

I watch tv exclusively in the living room in the home theater system.
 

DaveGee

macrumors 6502a
Jul 25, 2001
677
2
Originally posted by rtype
Bulbs burn out over time. Not buying a projector because the bulb will eventually burn out is kinda like deciding not to buy a lamp. I expect to get to about a year and a half on my first bulb and then spend $300. Your mileage will vary with usage.

I watch tv exclusively in the living room in the home theater system.

Exactly...

LCD burnout
Plasmas burnout
Rear Projection Bulbs burnout
Front Projection Bulbs burnout

It's the way of the world, nuthin but burnouts... :D

Dave
 

Squire

macrumors 68000
Jan 8, 2003
1,563
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Canada
Originally posted by DaveGee
Exactly...

LCD burnout
Plasmas burnout
Rear Projection Bulbs burnout
Front Projection Bulbs burnout

It's the way of the world, nuthin but burnouts... :D

Dave

At least bulbs don't fade away. I think burning out is better. ;)

Squire
 

Wonder Boy

macrumors 6502a
Feb 18, 2003
835
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South Windsor, CT
sos how much sense would it make to use a projector as your monitor? why get a 23 inch monitor for 2500 when i can get a screen as large as my wall for the same price?
 

CalfCanuck

macrumors 6502a
Nov 17, 2003
609
120
Originally posted by Wonder Boy
sos how much sense would it make to use a projector as your monitor? why get a 23 inch monitor for 2500 when i can get a screen as large as my wall for the same price?
Not too much sense - this was my original discussion (5 pages ago) about bulbs, among other issues.

If the cost of these bulbs works out at about 20 cents an hour, that is pretty insignificant for a large entertainment system that will accomidate 10-20 people and provide a high impact viewing. Same goes for a class room or a professional presentation environment.

But for day to day, intensive use with a personal computer, that works out at $500 - 600 a year for bulbs, BEYOND the price of buying the unit and the NOISE of the fan running. (If you think CPU's are noisy, listen to one of these "turbojets".)

Finally, the resolution and total pixel count compared to a 23 inch LCD would be HORRIBLE. The 23" Apple is 1920 x 1200 pixels, for a total of about 2.3 million sq. pixels, for about $2000.

An projector at a similar $2000 price range is XGA (1024 x 768), or just over one third the number of pixels. Colors would be washed out as well.

While many are excited about the news in this thread, I still maintain that Apple would be better spending it's time in those areas it currently is selling (i.e. education) but where it's outdated product line is allowing sales to slip. It will take a LOT of cash to develop this projector market from scratch.

Keep focusing on it's core products and bring them up to date, then worry about the cream at the edge.
 

fluidfilm

macrumors newbie
Jan 27, 2004
3
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NYC
Originally posted by Centurion
OK. Here’s the scoop…it really isn’t a DV stand-alone projector, but rather a revision of the G4 Cube, with a built-in projector. It’s a combination projector and computer! This is the 20th Anniversary device. It also has a 1.6 GHZ G5 processor. Wait till Saturday, you’ll see.
I've spent $1K and $8K on video projectors for educational presentations, multi-media performances, and movie nights.

I have to say a little $3K G5 Cube with a spankin' new video projector smushed in there would be a hot DVD-player/Power Point (ahem, sorry, Keynote)/Gaming/Video fun box for everyone.

The only problem is that the 2 most intense heat-producing things on planet Earth besides volcanoes are a Mac Cube and a Video Projector. You'd need an aluminum heat sink the size of a server rack to run that sucker. :(
 

Darth Twinkie

macrumors newbie
Jan 28, 2004
2
0
Toronto, Canada
Wee bit more info from AVS forum

The Moderator of AVS forum, Alan Grounger(I think that's the spelling), who was the first to post about this supposed Projector, posted another tidbit saying that the Projector will be introduced/announced in March or April.
 

mkrishnan

Moderator emeritus
Jan 9, 2004
29,776
15
Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Originally posted by fluidfilm
I have to say a little $3K G5 Cube with a spankin' new video projector smushed in there would be a hot DVD-player/Power Point (ahem, sorry, Keynote)/Gaming/Video fun box for everyone.

The only problem is that the 2 most intense heat-producing things on planet Earth besides volcanoes are a Mac Cube and a Video Projector. You'd need an aluminum heat sink the size of a server rack to run that sucker. :(

Maybe you can put them in a small refrigerator? The only thing hotter than a DVD-player/Powerpoint/Gaming/Video fun box is a DVD-player/Powerpoint/Gaming/Video/Beer fun box. :D

But if you mounted that cube + projector on the ceiling and ran it off a wireless mouse and keyboard, that would be pretty slammin'.

Now, all you need is a converter for the Nintendo Wavebird to the cube, and a Wavebird in Mac clear plastic and white....
 

gooddog

macrumors regular
Mar 22, 2002
185
0
Originally posted by CalfCanuck
Of all the people on this forum, I haven't forgotten teachers - the irony is that for the last 5 years I been working on educational software.

But I for one know how price sensative the educational market is. While some schools might buy projectors in those numbers, there are already MANY different models to chose from, from many diffrerent vendors. All of these companies would love an order for 80 or 90 units. Apple would have to have a product that is feature AND price competitive, no small order.

But my main point was that Apple needs to address the CORE of their product line in 2004, not be distracted by these incidentals.

When looking at education, if Apple came out with a great new replacement for the eMac (just as one example), they would sell 500,000 of their own products rather than 2000 repackaged projectors made by someone else. And try to gain back some of the market share of education that they've lost these last 3-4 years.

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True, true --- I agree,

BUT there is a madness to his method :)

( And thank you for your work in edsw ! )

Sadly, the funds are not lacking.

Our District just put four new winbox systems in each classroom.

Most teachers find them a nuisance because with only four vs. 37 kids in a room that is packed elbow-to-elbow, the question of who gets to use them creates more wasted time/effort than learning. Also, they came with no ed. software and license issues take forever at my school.

Also, teachers now have to watch/process vandalism, porno access, illegal downloads, viruses by the bushel, theft,...

Why not collect them into a lab ?
Because then we lose the idiot bumper-sticker : "Computers In Every Classroom" .

*** Just two of those systems would pay for a Toshiba TLP-S30 and a loaded iBook,
APC UPS, WACOM tablet. ******

New teachers are sucked dry of cash and energy by the Universities' racket : Emergency Credential course work.

---------

In my school, I was first to break down and dish out my own cash for my own system.

Word-of-mouth from my kids was awesome.

Next semester, 3 more teachers were emulating me, despite University vampire racket.

Now, as a big turnaround, my supervisor says he wishes he had known how useful projector/laptop sets are -- would have ordered some as I had SUGGESTED vehemently.

(1) So, the market is there for this.
(2) Every projector will sell a laptop.
(3) Apple makes great iBooks.

... I think SJ knows what he is doing:

As with ITMS & iPods , the real profits come from the *other* (iPod : iBook) associated sale.

--- see ???? :)






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rtype

macrumors newbie
Dec 22, 2003
29
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dallas, nation of texas
Stupid question I know but...

Do iBooks have the same ability to display conenct to a "second screen" that Powerbooks have? Any laptop can display the same content on a monitor as on the laptop display, but I always thought a great advantage to the Powerbook is its ability to run "dual head" with a monitor. If iBooks can do this too, then I see why iBook+projector would be a valuable (and affordable) teaching combination.
 

Awimoway

macrumors 68000
Sep 13, 2002
1,511
33
California
Originally posted by rtype
Stupid question I know but...

Do iBooks have the same ability to display conenct to a "second screen" that Powerbooks have? Any laptop can display the same content on a monitor as on the laptop display, but I always thought a great advantage to the Powerbook is its ability to run "dual head" with a monitor. If iBooks can do this too, then I see why iBook+projector would be a valuable (and affordable) teaching combination.

It can, but it's crippled to prevent the possibility. However, workaround hacks have been discovered. So Apple could make this possible, but I don't think they will.
 

alandail

macrumors 6502
Jul 23, 2002
257
0
Ohio
From the Apple iBook G4 spec page

Get the big picture
The iBook features a video output port that displays VGA, S-Video and composite video signals, and it supports both NTSC and PAL formats. In other words, modesty is about the only thing that will keep you from showing your movies and presentations on a projector or big-screen TV. (1)
 

gooddog

macrumors regular
Mar 22, 2002
185
0
Most of them can be "adjusted" :)

Originally posted by rtype
Stupid question I know but...

Do iBooks have the same ability to display conenct to a "second screen" that Powerbooks have? Any laptop can display the same content on a monitor as on the laptop display, but I always thought a great advantage to the Powerbook is its ability to run "dual head" with a monitor. If iBooks can do this too, then I see why iBook+projector would be a valuable (and affordable) teaching combination.

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rtype,

Most (newer) iBooks CAN be made to display "extended desktop" or "screen spanning" or "dual-head" *IF* they have the newer graphics card.

Google "dual head iBook" and you will find a hack that can be keyed into open firmware to un-cripple the iBook so that it will support dual head.

This may well void your warranty.

The person who wrote the hack has since folded it into an installer ( some people were not following his instructions and had trouble re-booting ).

I discovered that you must be using the
A/C adaptor ( NOT THE BATTERY ) power when keying in the hack -- else one of the commands will not be recognized and will be treated as text only, and the hack won't execute. But when I connected to the wall via the Apple A/C adaptor, it worked great.
YOU MUST BE VERY CAREFULL WHEN KEYING INTO OPEN FIRMWARE.

I finally did it by hand ( before the installer was developed) and it works just great.

It can be removed by zapping the PRAM ( see apple.com knowledge databse page to learn how to zap the PRAM or "reset volatile memory" etc.).

There is a temporary hack version that automatically disappears when you restart -- to try it out once.

I use my Dual USB 800 MHz iBook with a Toshiba TLP-S30 digital projector -- the dual head feature is GREAT !!! Most useful thing in the world.

Newer iMac's can also be hacked the same way.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU CHECK THAT YOU HAVE THE CORRECT GRAPHICS CARD --- READ CAREFULLY ALL OF HIS WEB PAGE.

Enjoy ---
 

stingerman

macrumors 6502
Jul 6, 2003
286
0
Hate to add something to this rumor but I can't help myself:

While a front projector would be cool for the businessman I suspect that Apple is looking at it from the rear as well. That is, rear projector. A new chipset from TI, HD2+ DLP chip, is being used not only in front projector market but it makes for awesome rear projector TV's that put Plasma displays to shame. Not only are they brighter, they have up to a 4000:1 contrast. The biggest problem has been depth size and with this new chip set, we are talking 6" deep! That is as good as the Plasma display of the same size. And resolution is a very nice SD quality of 1280X720p (progressive, so it should be able to show 1080i as well with a simple conversion) with excellent black and richer color.

These TV's should be significantly cheaper than Plasma and LCD of the same size, and I dare say would eventually come down to CRT prices. If Apple were to integrate DVR and Rendezvous to access other computers and apps like iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie and iChat AV, etc. It would be a nice addition to the Digital lifestyle push.
 
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