I'm not asking you to change your mind. I only ask of you to consider propaganda from both sides.What can I say, when so many people parrot propaganda from the same government it tends to all sound the same.
I'm not asking you to change your mind. I only ask of you to consider propaganda from both sides.What can I say, when so many people parrot propaganda from the same government it tends to all sound the same.
LOL. Two words -- North Korea.What can I say, when so many people parrot propaganda from the same government it tends to all sound the same.
Bad take because your premise is wrong. Exactly 0% of Chinese technological development has been created or developed within China. It's almost entirely stolen technology (or force transfers by misguided western firms). This fact has nothing to do with "hardworking Chinese people," which is true. Does it effect me? Yes -- because I value freedom, democracy, expression and individual rights. I no longer do business in Hong Kong.
China has been stealing trade secrets for years, a lot of their tech is either Russian bought or stolen. Every country should protect their IP from hostile foreign actors.
You talk like the US is trying to hold China back, yet if China is as advanced as you suggest they can go invent all that tech for themselves. A lot of Chinas problems come from how its economy is organised, it doesn't reward entrepreneurs, it doesn't allow free thinkers, it doesn't do what needs to be done to promote such advancements. An outspoken CEO like Jobs or Musk would have been disappeared long ago, and along with it Chinas hopes for technological success.
The west needs to learn to manufacture products themselves again. Uses robot or something but we can’t rely on China. One day there might be a conflict. Starting then would be too late.
10 years ago no one believed Putin would start a war in Europe. Today many still think China won’t but we should not depend on that thought.
The globalization as we know it are dead I’m afraid.
The west needs to learn to manufacture products themselves again. Uses robot or something but we can’t rely on China. One day there might be a conflict. Starting then would be too late.
10 years ago no one believed Putin would start a war in Europe. Today many still think China won’t but we should not depend on that thought.
The globalization as we know it are dead I’m afraid.
This would mean that somebody else will have to stand down the value chain and nobody wants that. There is a reason why nobody can become a superpower just by being a wise monkey on a tree if you know what I mean. Great Britain has mastered this to almost perfection through their "agents of influence" since they did not have any natural resources but even they are really struggling to maintain the status of any sort of "power".But when the Chinese want to move up the value chain so they can catch up in quality of life, the west is now suddenly saying they're all around an evil country that must be sanctioned.
Apple has frozen plans to use chips from one of China's top memory chipmakers after tighter U.S. export controls were imposed on the Chinese tech sector, reports Nikkei Asia.
According to the report, Apple intended to buy 128-layer 3D NAND flash memory chips from Yangtze Memory Technologies (YMTC) for use in iPhones sold in the Chinese market as early as this year, with the possibility of eventually purchasing up to 40% of the chips needed for all iPhones.
Apple had already completed the months-long process to certify the memory before Washington earlier this month added YMTC and 30 other Chinese entities to an "Unverified" list of companies that U.S. officials have been unable to inspect. U.S. companies are prohibited from sharing any design, technologies, documents or specifications to companies on the Unverified List without a license.
The tighter controls have increased tensions with Beijing, since companies who cannot provide the necessary information within 60 days could be added to the official U.S. export control blacklist. YMTC is also being investigated by the U.S. Commerce Department over whether it violated Washington's export controls by selling chips to Huawei, which is already blacklisted.
The export controls on China imposed by the Biden administration are an effort to slow the country's technological and military advances by cutting off Beijing's supplies off from certain semiconductor chips made anywhere in the world with U.S. equipment. Apple and YMTC did not respond to Nikkei's requests for comment.
Article Link: Apple Freezes Plan to Buy Memory Chips From China's YMTC After US Imposes Export Controls
China has been stealing trade secrets for years, a lot of their tech is either Russian bought or stolen. Every country should protect their IP from hostile foreign actors.
You talk like the US is trying to hold China back, yet if China is as advanced as you suggest they can go invent all that tech for themselves. A lot of Chinas problems come from how its economy is organised, it doesn't reward entrepreneurs, it doesn't allow free thinkers, it doesn't do what needs to be done to promote such advancements. An outspoken CEO like Jobs or Musk would have been disappeared long ago, and along with it Chinas hopes for technological success.
I guess they finally replaced "sources say..""i thought Boris was a joke, but this Truss takes it to the next level lol. the word on the street is lawmakers in parliament wants to oust her already.
My wife is half Malaysian and I get it all the time."Anglo-Saxon racism" tell that to my Taiwanese wife.
One racist white person proves entire white race is racist. /sWhite man and Han Chinese wife proves there is no racism. /s
Too bad you think that way, it was more of a point that a majority of Taiwanese are not in favor of the PRC government and has nothing to do with racism at all.White man and Han Chinese wife proves there is no racism. /s
Wth? Communism in name only?It's nothing new for US. They've done this to Japan before. The only difference now is that China has a high chance to surpass the US due to its resources while Japan never really had that potential.
And because China has a communist government (in name only, capitalism in practice), the US has another angle to justify these policies.
The US can say "we're banning chip imports/exports to China because they're a single communist government state" instead of saying "we're banning chip imports/exports to China because we're trying to slow their growth so we can stay the world boss longer".
https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...a-is-the-new-japan-by-stephen-s-roach-2019-05
I always laugh when people think China vs the US is anything other than economics.
Correct.Wth? Communism in name only?
Interesting. Zeihan (sp?) has made similar points I believe.Although China is probably the most impacted by the end of globalism than any other nation. They rely on food and energy imports, and everything they manufacture relies on business and technology from other countries.
Given that they can't/won't have immigration, and their demographics are horrendous in terms of too many old people and not enough young people, the end of globalism would be the end of China as we know it.
No problem, I'll survive.You're buying into CCP propaganda, just so you know.
No wonder if you have 1,4bln people. Compare it per capita.Seems like American propaganda is working well. People here actually believe that modern China could only copy/steal.
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Also, people forget that just 200 years ago, China had a higher GDP than Europe and the US combined. This significant advantage was eroded by drugs, colonialism, and wars. Unfortunately, people still think that the rise of modern China is a fluke and only because they steal US tech. You can argue that China is simply regaining its world status that it had before it was eroded by the West.
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There is no doubt that China is behind technologically today. But let's not act like espionage is what will allow China to catch up.
The United States has lost between $300 billion to $600 billion dollars per year to intellectual property theft by China since the early 2000s. The entire United States defense budget averages $736 billion per year over the same time period. Chinese espionage, forced licensing and other unfair trade practices are well known, widely reported and are no longer a secret. To claim that China's technological advances in the last 20 years are due to "hard working Chinese" is laughable.Correct.
“Americans Don’t Know How Capitalist China Is”
Weijian Shan was born in China and had his life upended by the Cultural Revolution. Educated in the United States, he worked for the World Bank and J.P. Morgan and taught at the Wharton School. Today he is the CEO of PAG, a $40 billion private equity firm based in Hong Kong. In this interview he...hbr.org
It's general knowledge nowadays.
It's a bit alarming that the people voting for representatives who ultimately make policies on China know so little about modern China and its history.
Given that China current manufactures slightly over a third of all manufactured products in the world, plus the fact that their universities (some of which are world class) are turning out around a million engineers (of all types) per year; I don't think that limiting western "know how" is going to have any great long term effect.So enough good reasons to limit know how export. 👍
Why stop at per capita? How about per capita per college student? Per 1st tier city? Per person who didn't grow up in poverty?No wonder if you have 1,4bln people. Compare it per capita.
And how much money has China lost due to western imperialism? Or stealing Silk secrets? Paper printing? Gun powder? Hell, even the sandwich and pasta was invented in China and stolen.The United States has lost between $300 billion to $600 billion dollars per year to intellectual property theft by China since the early 2000s. The entire United States defense budget averages $736 billion per year over the same time period. Chinese espionage, forced licensing and other unfair trade practices are well known, widely reported and are no longer a secret. To claim that China's technological advances in the last 20 years are due to "hard working Chinese" is laughable.
Chinese espionage against America steals up to $600 billion a year
A new year has begun but the Chinese Communist Party maintains its old ways. In early January, a Chinese scientist pleaded guilty to attempting to commitwww.sandboxx.us
America is struggling to counter China’s intellectual property theft
US should avoid racial profiling and raise law enforcement’s tech knowhowwww.ft.com
Chinese hackers took trillions in intellectual property from about 30 multinational companies
"We're talking about Blueprint diagrams of fighter jets, helicopters, and missiles," Cybereason CEO Lior Div told CBS News.www.cbsnews.com
The bolded part is absolutely correct and what most people here do not understand.Given that China current manufactures slightly over a third of all manufactured products in the world, plus the fact that their universities (some of which are world class) are turning out around a million engineers (of all types) per year; I don't think that limiting western "know how" is going to have any great long term effect.
As long as they can turn out goods for the American market cheaper than Americans can produce it for themselves then they're on to a winner. Plus China prioritises stability over everything, so don't expect to see any Putin style idiocy, just a slow, steady and remorseless consolidation of their power.
Propaganda is strong.Are we pretending like China isn't a genocidal totalitarian regime, that has killed far more of their own citizens than the Nazi's killed jews, has forced organ harvesting from people based on race, religion, or political reasons, and that uses rape as a government sponsored form of torture? And that is one of the most racist societies out there? And the largest source of pollution/climate change (a very significant part of why things are cheap to produce there-- complete disregard for the environment).
Can't decouple fast enough.
All these westerners defending China as they enslave ethnics and basically behave as the most evil entity on the planet, is ridiculous. Stop shilling yourself to modern nazi Germany. You clearly know NOTHING about the CCP and the evils its committing. The only mistake we made was buying their crap in the first place and making them rich.Politics 101 is to distract your voter base and blame your problems on a foreign country. Having a common foreign enemy gives power to politicians. China is an easy target due to prolonged media propaganda and historical anglo saxon racism towards the Chinese.
Is China causing you problems in real life? No. Hard-working Chinese people is the reason we have abundant affordable products in the western world. But when the Chinese want to move up the value chain so they can catch up in quality of life, the west is now suddenly saying they're all around an evil country that must be sanctioned.
The west is basically saying to China, "no, you can't design, produce, and sell advanced technology. You must stay as our cheap factory."
Yeah blowing up all of the sea life surrounding them to peacefully let Taiwan know their clear intentions to invade them really screams following a cultural trajectory of peace.The bolded part is absolutely correct and what most people here do not understand.
East Asian culture, including South Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore will prioritize stability over everything else.
Most Americans and Europeans think that China will go on an imperialist rampage once they gain power like they themselves once did to the rest of the world. This is simply not within traditional East Asian culture. They keep to themselves while anglo saxons like to "civilize the world" by conquering them.
It is now just some sort of distorted historical quid pro quo? 😂 😂 Ancient history informs current CCP political policy? 😂 😂 Anyway, we are talking about a brutal dictatorship that suppresses individual freedom and political expression. When the United States first loosened its policies with China in the 1970s/80s it was driven by the understanding (misguided) that China would embark on reform. It did so economically (partially) but never did any political reform at all. So, the CCP took the money and ran by adopting its nationalist capitalism economy, which lifted millions out of poverty primarily through open access to Western markets. But the CCP has moved backwards economically through IP theft, espionage and forced licensing arrangements, which are unfair. It has backtracked politically as well so that continued US business there now only serves the interests of the CCP's dictatorial war machine.And how much money has China lost due to western imperialism? Or stealing Silk secrets? Paper printing? Gun powder? Hell, even the sandwich and pasta was invented in China and stolen.
Anyone who defends the CCP in 2022 simply does not know anything about China or the CCP. That is an absolute fact.I'm not asking you to change your mind. I only ask of you to consider propaganda from both sides.