Apple Has Deployed More Than $1 Billion Towards Affordable Housing Initiatives in California

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My apologies, are you comparing an ugly cold rust-infested hell hole like MA with California? I've lived in both and let me tell you - they're not even in the same league. MA is small, full of m*$$holes and doesn't have 1/10 issues with housing that CA does. Nobody in their right mind would move to CA in the same amounts that they used to move to CA. If anything people were leaving. Hell, I left and it was the happiest day of my life.

yes, MA has about 1/15 the land mass of CA…makes pretty basic sense that you can’t compare them absolutely. relative comparison is a thing though!

anyway. you may have mistaken me for anything within a 30 mile radius of Boston; western MA is currently facing an insane gentrification crisis (and I’d love to chalk it up to that f—king casino they put up but…I’ll just say that’s personal bias), while still being in the drudges of its opioid crisis. oxy was being prescribed like candy in the early millennium, and by the time that let up(?), it was too late—fentanyl hit our streets like a goddamn bullet train and instead of putting some money into things like homeless shelters and affordable housing/programs that create upward mobility for people who’ve hit rock bottom, they’re putting up luxury apartments in the middle of downtown areas for ~$3k/month.

none of the housing around here is affordable unless you get insanely lucky, or if you have a car and are willing to commute (which automatically f—ks over a fair few disabled people, myself included!)

anyway, yeah, I’ve heard that a ton of people are leaving CA. good for them. I’ll take my ugly cold rust-infested hellhole with a Corona, lime and all ;-)

 

[turbineseaplane]

Wow! An entire billion!?

Incredible of Apple!

Way to find some scraps in the couch cushions and spread it out over a couple years to stoke some praise in the press.

 

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Always the evil corporations causing the problems and they cannot be trusted. The government, on the other hand, totally benevolent and trust worthy. Got it. Lol.

did I say at any point that the government is always trustworthy and that corporations are at the root of every problem?

ok glad we cleared that up

my point is that there needs to be a balance between what companies in the trades are allowed to do unfettered and what they’re not allowed to do for safety reasons (e.g. using certain materials that are known carcinogens, or materials that don’t have a proper weight tolerance for their specific use [imagine if you put something particularly heavy on your countertop and the whole thing just fell apart]). the government regulating these things is for the sake of the people taking advantage of the services provided by the company. and, on a MUCH bigger level (getting more to the point I was originally making), the construction companies that build complexes of any sort—condos, apartments, etc.—need to be following these guidelines to a tee lest we see, again, what happened in Florida [and what happens regularly in countries with much weaker regulation]. I would not be shocked to see a major investigation exposing a bunch of major stuff that the builders of that complex just overlooked.

 

[I7guy]

Wow! An entire billion!?

Incredible of Apple!

Way to find some scraps in the couch cushions and spread it out over a couple years to stoke some praise in the press.

As opposed to $0 and not doing anything at all? But I agree if they get good press out of this...so be it.

 

[mtneer]

Unless Apple gets directly involved in constructing this housing, this $1B will be snookered up by a vast army of bureaucrats, non-profits and activists from California's huge 'Homeless Industrial Complex'.

 

[Alameda]

Build more houses. Simple solution.

Instead of Supply / (Demand*10) try Supply / (Demand*1.5)

Apple throwing money in to a black box isn't going to do anything. Builders want to build. That's what they do. They aren't making money unless they are building. And they don't need incentives from Apple, or any other tech company to do their job. Unfortunately places like CA make it extremely difficult on them. Remove those restrictions and stand back.

Maybe one day CA will catch on before the last productive members of their state leave for better places like Texas and Florida.

Dur! It's just so simple and cheap to solve this problem! It's easy!

Those silly governments making pesky restrictions about ensuring the building is safe to inhabit! And then the audacity to ensure that there's running water, sewage, electricity and roads! Do you know how much cheaper housing is if you don't pay for any of those things? Dur! It's such a simple problem to solve!

Look at me! I'm a Republican! Everything's so simple to solve! All the problems are caused by Democrats and their pesky facts!

So... no. It isn't simple or cheap, my friend. You cannot build housing without infrastructure, which is extremely expensive. Look at Alameda, CA. The City's size increased by 33% when the US Navy closed a base. But they can't convert that land to housing because there's no infrastructure to handle the traffic of cars going on and off the island all day. They'd need to build a tunnel or a bridge, and they are very expensive to build.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

Dur! It's just so simple and cheap to solve this problem! It's easy!

Those silly governments making pesky restrictions about ensuring the building is safe to inhabit! And then the audacity to ensure that there's running water, sewage, electricity and roads! Do you know how much cheaper housing is if you don't pay for any of those things? Dur! It's such a simple problem to solve!

Look at me! I'm a Republican! Everything's so simple to solve! All the problems are caused by Democrats and their pesky facts!

So... no. It isn't simple or cheap, my friend. You cannot build housing without infrastructure, which is extremely expensive. Look at Alameda, CA. The City's size increased by 33% when the US Navy closed a base. But they can't convert that land to housing because there's no infrastructure to handle the traffic of cars going on and off the island all day. They'd need to build a tunnel or a bridge, and they are very expensive to build.

"ensuring the building is safe to inhabit"

There is such thing as regulation.

Then there is over regulation, which is what is happening.

The over-regulation is there so builders are forced to contract out with safety coordinators and consultants to make sure the properties are "up to code." This is happening.

Those getting work as consultants are political allies and donors to the party presently in power. This is happening.

This is a graft and if you (the royal you---not the poster) don't know it's happening and truly think this is all about "safety," you're naive and childlike. You also probably still believe in Santa Claus.

"the building is safe to inhabit! And then the audacity to ensure that there's running water, sewage, electricity and roads!" Lol. Sure.

 

[Alameda]

"ensuring the building is safe to inhabit"

There is such thing as regulation.

Then there is over regulation, which is what is happening.

The over-regulation is there so builders are forced to contract out with safety coordinators and consultants to make sure the properties are "up to code." This is happening.

Those getting work as consultants are political allies and donors to the party presently in power. This is happening.

This is a graft and if you (the royal you---not the poster) don't know it's happening and truly think this is all about "safety," you're naive and childlike. You also probably still believe in Santa Claus.

"the building is safe to inhabit! And then the audacity to ensure that there's running water, sewage, electricity and roads!" Lol. Sure.

I’ll assume you’re correct, although I have no idea if you are.

So if you build a house — be it $200,000 or $1M, how is it that these consultants, who probably get a few grand — are the heart of California’s housing crisis? That doesn’t make sense.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

I’ll assume you’re correct, although I have no idea if you are.

So if you build a house — be it $200,000 or $1M, how is it that these consultants, who probably get a few grand — are the heart of California’s housing crisis? That doesn’t make sense.

If you have a good faith desire to understand the conservative critique of over regulation in places like California, you should do some research.

If you do, you might be surprised--not that I am saying you'll agree with it, but maybe you'll see Republicans are not the caricature I assume you paint them as.

 

[Alameda]

If you have a good faith desire to understand the conservative critique of over regulation in places like California, you should do some research.
If you do, you might be surprised--not that I am saying you'll agree with it, but maybe you'll see Republicans are not the caricature I assume you paint them as.

I’m sure that in a state of 30 million, there are some bad regulations. Since you understand this, could you list two or three of them?

 

[IllinoisCorn]

I’m sure that in a state of 30 million, there are some bad regulations. Since you understand this, could you list two or three of them?

Title 24 will make future building cost prohibitive for many. That's a few years away, though.

Let's go to that SUPER REPUBLICAN and FAR RIGHT publication the LA times to discuss over-regulation:

"The California Code of Regulations — the compilation of the state’s administrative rules — contains more than 21 million words. If reading it was a 40-hour-a-week job, it would take more than six months to get through it, and understanding all that legalese is another matter entirely.

Included in the code are more than 395,000 restrictive terms such as “shall,” “must” and “required,” a good gauge of how many actual requirements exist. This is by far the most regulation of any state in the country, according to a new database maintained by the Mercatus Center, a research institute at George Mason University. The average state has about 137,000 restrictive terms in its code, or roughly one-third as many as California. Alaska and Montana are among the states with as few as 60,000."

See, https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...lation-housing-california-20190703-story.html

Do people not realize how much over regulation there is in California? What political party runs California? Which party runs the largest cities? It's not the dastardly Republicans, I'll tell you that.

 

[Alameda]

Title 24 will make future building cost prohibitive for many. That's a few years away, though.

Let's go to that SUPER REPUBLICAN and FAR RIGHT publication the LA times to discuss over-regulation:

"The California Code of Regulations — the compilation of the state’s administrative rules — contains more than 21 million words. If reading it was a 40-hour-a-week job, it would take more than six months to get through it, and understanding all that legalese is another matter entirely.

Included in the code are more than 395,000 restrictive terms such as “shall,” “must” and “required,” a good gauge of how many actual requirements exist. This is by far the most regulation of any state in the country, according to a new database maintained by the Mercatus Center, a research institute at George Mason University. The average state has about 137,000 restrictive terms in its code, or roughly one-third as many as California. Alaska and Montana are among the states with as few as 60,000."

See, https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-...lation-housing-california-20190703-story.html

Do people not realize how much over regulation there is in California? What political party runs California? Which party runs the largest cities? It's not the dastardly Republicans, I'll tell you that.

Which of the 395,000 restrictive terms is the bad one?

 

[Khalanad75]

Which of the 395,000 restrictive terms is the bad one?

And what is the context for those restrictive terms?

For republicans, it's just bad that they are in there at all. But if the term relates to "must have clean running water attached to the building." then me as a California home owner says it's a good thing.

 

[Razorpit]

Dur! It's just so simple and cheap to solve this problem! It's easy!

Those silly governments making pesky restrictions about ensuring the building is safe to inhabit! And then the audacity to ensure that there's running water, sewage, electricity and roads! Do you know how much cheaper housing is if you don't pay for any of those things? Dur! It's such a simple problem to solve!

Look at me! I'm a Republican! Everything's so simple to solve! All the problems are caused by Democrats and their pesky facts!

So... no. It isn't simple or cheap, my friend. You cannot build housing without infrastructure, which is extremely expensive. Look at Alameda, CA. The City's size increased by 33% when the US Navy closed a base. But they can't convert that land to housing because there's no infrastructure to handle the traffic of cars going on and off the island all day. They'd need to build a tunnel or a bridge, and they are very expensive to build.

Ya actually it is easy. Build. You act as if this would be the first new neighborhood on the face of the planet.

Projection? I don't know or care if you are a republican or democrat. It doesn't make a difference in solving the problem at hand. You presented no "pesky facts" but did present some excellent ad hominem points.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

And what is the context for those restrictive terms?

For republicans, it's just bad that they are in there at all. But if the term relates to "must have clean running water attached to the building." then me as a California home owner says it's a good thing.

Guy, look at the housing crisis in that state. Look at the law regulating housing. Don't think there is a link and want to continue to blame the right? Fine. Don't care. I don't live in California and I really don't care what happens there.

By the way, I am happy you enjoy your housing, but I think there are many in California who should have an affordable house and can't. Ask THOSE residents how they feel. Ask the residents who flee California by the boatful how they feel. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammi...nts-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/

 

[Razorpit]

Guy, look at the housing crisis in that state. Look at the law regulating housing. Don't think there is a link and want to continue to blame the right? Fine. Don't care. I don't live in California and I really don't care what happens there.

By the way, I am happy you enjoy your housing, but I think there are many in California who should have an affordable house and can't. Ask THOSE residents how they feel. Ask the residents who flee California by the boatful how they feel. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammi...nts-and-president-biden-should-pay-attention/

Even better, take a look at the rates to rent a Uhaul from LA to Austin. A 26' truck is $5,086. Now look at renting a truck in the reverse direction, $2,992. Yet those remaining in California will tell you how awesome it is and that if it wasn't for their little heaven on earth the US would collapse. ?

I signed in to MBW directly after the announcement last week. I wanted a life take on things and thought why not there. I always appreciate Rene Ritchie and how he's able to put things in perspective. It took all of a minute for me to die laughing in the "pregame show" as they were all commenting on the recall election. The elites see no problems whatsoever in that state. They either refuse to see it or can't because as "influencers" they are too far out of touch with reality.

 

[Khalanad75]

I signed in to MBW directly after the announcement last week. I wanted a life take on things and thought why not there. I always appreciate Rene Ritchie and how he's able to put things in perspective. It took all of a minute for me to die laughing in the "pregame show" as they were all commenting on the recall election. The elites see no problems whatsoever in that state. They either refuse to see it or can't because as "influencers" they are too far out of touch with reality.

What does any of this mean? I have no clue to what you are saying here at all.

 

[Razorpit]

What does any of this mean? I have no clue to what you are saying here at all.

CliffNotes for you;

• I went to the Mac Break Weekly site to watch the video podcast live to watch the recap on the Apple event.
• I went before the podcast started, but the cameras and microphones were still on.
• All Leo and the gang were worried about was the recall election.
• They believe they live in a utopia where California is still the Golden State.
• They are nothing but product influencers (paid advertisement). They are not capable of original thought and can only parrot what other people tell them to say.
• People are leaving California in droves. They are losing a House seat, and instead of asking why, they think everyone else is an idiot.
• Instead of acknowledging the evils of ballot harvesting and that it is against the law, they accuse those that point these facts out as clueless.

 

[Khalanad75]

CliffNotes for you;

• I went to the Mac Break Weekly site to watch the video podcast live to watch the recap on the Apple event.
• I went before the podcast started, but the cameras and microphones were still on.
• All Leo and the gang were worried about was the recall election.
• They believe they live in a utopia where California is still the Golden State.
• They are nothing but product influencers (paid advertisement). They are not capable of original thought and can only parrot what other people tell them to say.
• People are leaving California in droves. They are losing a House seat, and instead of asking why, they think everyone else is an idiot.
• Instead of acknowledging the evils of ballot harvesting and that it is against the law, they accuse those that point these facts out as clueless.

Have you ever wondered why the whole "California is crap" is mostly parroted by people who don't live here? Majority of those that live here actually like/love the state. The people leaving by droves, are mostly republicans, and I am fine with that.

Speaking of ballot harversting, that crap was going on by the republicans in southern California by putting out "fake" ballot boxes.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

Have you ever wondered why the whole "California is crap" is mostly parroted by people who don't live here? Majority of those that live here actually like/love the state. The people leaving by droves, are mostly republicans, and I am fine with that.

Speaking of ballot harversting, that crap was going on by the republicans in southern California by putting out "fake" ballot boxes.

The idea it's Republicans fleeling CA just proves you 1) have zero idea what you are talking about and 2) are not at all a serious person on this issue.

It's great you love California. Take a look around and see it is becoming the land of the incredibly wealthy and the incredibly poor (go look at Venice Beach and the streets of San Fran). Those "Republicans" leaving? No---that's the MIDDLE CLASS leaving.

The same thing is happening in New York City by the way----people are fleeing to Florida (including the wealthy, and that is a huge problem for a city who's annual budget is close to that of Florida---the second (maybe 3rd) biggest STATE in the country).

Do you even read things outside of your blue bubble? Wow.

 

[chucker23n1]

• People are leaving California in droves. They are losing a House seat, and instead of asking why, they think everyone else is an idiot.

If you think the "why" is because "people are leaving", I don't know what to tell you.

I don't know about Freedom Math, but pretty sure most would agree that 39 million is more than 37 million.

Now, if you want to make the argument that some other state are gaining population at a higher pace than California, sure. But that isn't what you said.

 

[Razorpit]

Wow, you certainly convinced me from that cropped screenshot.

Again, look at renting a U-Haul from LA to Austin, and then the reverse. The numbers don't lie. California is hemorrhaging it's population.

 

[chucker23n1]

Wow, you certainly convinced me from that cropped screenshot.

What other number are you looking for? The 2360s? The 1910s? You can look at the complete table, but I fail to see how it helps understand that, no, people aren't "leaving California in droves"; population has gone up.

 

[Khalanad75]

The idea it's Republicans fleeling CA just proves you 1) have zero idea what you are talking about and 2) are not at all a serious person on this issue.

It's great you love California. Take a look around and see it is becoming the land of the incredibly wealthy and the incredibly poor (go look at Venice Beach and the streets of San Fran). Those "Republicans" leaving? No---that's the MIDDLE CLASS leaving.

The same thing is happening in New York City by the way----people are fleeing to Florida (including the wealthy, and that is a huge problem for a city who's annual budget is close to that of Florida---the second (maybe 3rd) biggest STATE in the country).

Do you even read things outside of your blue bubble? Wow.

I live here, I have eyes, I see houses hit the market and are sold within 1-7 days. I don't need to "read outside my bubble."

Perhaps, come visit and see for yourself. Look at the growth of housing constantly being built.

 

[Razorpit]

What other number are you looking for? The 2360s? The 1910s? You can look at the complete table, but I fail to see how it helps understand that, no, people aren't "leaving California in droves"; population has gone up.

Thanks for actually providing a link.

The next question is how many of those new people are legal, productive members of society, versus illegals and refugees from third world countries? As @IllinoisCorn said, California is losing its middle class and I'll argue upper middle class.