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davidg4781

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If your only news source is the Russian equivalent of Fox News, you start believing anything.

That’s why independently verified news is so critical.

Are you saying FoxNews is not accurate? And I’m talking the news shows, not the talking heads opinion shows.

What’s a good example of independently verified news in the US?
 

supercoolmanchu

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Are we still on that? Apple’s implementation of CSAM was deliberately designed with privacy in mind. They didn’t do server side scanning for this exact reason: privacy. Just like all other analysis of photos for face and object recognition are all done client side on the iPhone itself. While other companies like Google do this server side to obtain as much data as possible.

The thing that backfired is that client-side face scanning sounds good and privacy friendly while client-side SCAM scanning sounds creepy. But whatever way you look at it: you either trust the company or you don’t.
This makes zero sense. You typed yourself around in a circle, or are just misinformed.

Apple doesn’t fully encrypt user iCloud accounts on their servers, but your device is. Apple already scans their servers, that’s why they aren’t encrypted. CSAM is Apple breaking that device encryption too, and trying to obscure it with “well it’s just the AI doing it”. Which is their bone headed justification and totally disingenuous.

What good is encryption if there’s a bot backdooring it, armed with a surreptitious monitoring and alarm system? That’s not encryption, it’s a word game around it, with a silly platitude.

Regardless, Apple was so publicly shamed and embarrassed after lying so blatantly about this, they’ve had to retreat (albeit rather cowardly) on the issue.

Why should we trust Apple, if Apple doesn’t trust us? Especially when they’ve been long marketing security and charging a nice premium for that supposed trust?
 
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supercoolmanchu

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I don't think anybody is wagin a war against US citizens. There is an objective reason.
US can no longer support Bretton Woods system. "Make America Great Again" means just that, supporting America and dropping support for the Bretton Woods system.

To his credit Biden has realized this two-three months into his presidency. I strongly suspect that Biden and Vladimir Putin do have a bit of a "good cop, bad cop" dynamics going on in order to achieve each other objectives and facilitate the changing economic model.

Kinetic war? No. Economic war? Yes.

Bretton Woods was just one arm of FDR’s federally managed economy scheme, aka socialism, which is just re-skinned feudalism, transferring all wealth to the “monarch” class. The colloquial expression, is war on the middle class, and exactly what happens in the form of ever increasing taxation, regulation and the inevitable inflation.

FDR screwed up early into the Great Depression, deepening and extending the problem, and never actually fixing, but side-stepped it with a Ponzi scheme. Despite almost a century of band-aids, it’s falling apart because this idea is stupid and unhealthy.

I’m not sure Biden has ever been capable of this deep economic realization you credit him for. He (well… his administration) seems to be doing exactly what almost every politician since FDR has done, milk that ponzi cow, and with no regard for the little guy, or the poor cow.

The only exceptional thing about the Biden brand economic policy, is the accelerated level of desperation in milking it, before poor ole Bessie collapses entirely. Post industrialization (enlightenment actually) all of these schemes have had accelerated rates of failure. China is next in the queue.
 
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avz

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Kinetic war? No. Economic war? Yes.

Bretton Woods was just one arm of FDR’s federally managed economy scheme, aka socialism, which is just re-skinned feudalism, transferring all wealth to the “monarch” class. The colloquial expression, is war on the middle class, and exactly what happens in the form of ever increasing taxation, regulation and the inevitable inflation.

FDR screwed up early into the Great Depression, deepening and extending the problem, and never actually fixing, but side-stepped it with a Ponzi scheme. Despite almost a century of band-aids, it’s falling apart because this idea is stupid and unhealthy.

I’m not sure Biden has ever been capable of this deep economic realization you credit him for. He (well… his administration) seems to be doing exactly what almost every politician since FDR has done, milk that ponzi cow, and with no regard for the little guy, or the poor cow.

The only exceptional thing about the Biden brand economic policy, is the accelerated level of desperation in milking it, before poor ole Bessie collapses entirely. Post industrialization (enlightenment actually) all of these schemes have had accelerated rates of failure. China is next in the queue.
Reduction in consumption levels of Reaganomics is healthy for many reasons. I can see how it can be seen as an economic war on the middle class, as majority of consumers are middle class.

Biden at the very least has attempted to push for the big infrastructure projects, supporting his blue collar mates. Ponzi scheme lobby in US is quite strong and I am sure that in reality it is very hard to support real sector. This is where the tough stance of Russia is helping to keep a ponzi scheme lobby in US in check and have a potential to be a major game changer.
 

I7guy

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Why should we trust Apple, if Apple doesn’t trust us? Especially when they’ve been long marketing security and charging a nice premium for that supposed trust?
It's not about Apple trusting you. The possession of CSAM is illegal. Period. Full stop.

If Apple stops CSAM from getting to icloud they can (finally) fully encrypt icloud backups. They way they will stop it is by one device scanning. Or alternatively you can turn off icloud backups, or whatever it is that has to be turned off.
 
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supercoolmanchu

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It's not about Apple trusting you. The possession of CSAM is illegal. Period. Full stop.

If Apple stops CSAM from getting to icloud they can (finally) fully encrypt icloud backups. They way they will stop it is by one device scanning. Or alternatively you can turn off icloud backups, or whatever it is that has to be turned off.

If Apple trusts users, why police them?
Clearly they don’t trust some, so they proposed a system to check them all.

I can also use iCloud to upload stolen classified defense and military hardware designs. When does this concern get added to Apple’s efforts?

Where does it stop?
 
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I7guy

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If Apple trusts users, why police them?
Clearly they don’t trust some, so they proposed a system to check them all.

I can also use iCloud to upload stolen classified defense and military hardware designs. When does this concern get added to Apple’s efforts?

Where does it stop?
Apple is not attempting to stop the spread of stolen classified defense designs. They are trying to stop the spread of CSAM. Apple is already scanning icloud backups. But it they stop CSAM from being synched to icloud they can fully encrypt icloud.

So if your interpretation is apple doesn't trust it's users, well neither do facebook or google. But at this point it seems far astray of the original thread premise.
 

supercoolmanchu

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What does Facebook or Google have to do with Apple? Where did Apple state it's scanning iCloud backups? That goes against their entire stated premise for on device scanning.

You ducked the question:

So where did Apple derive these police powers from?
Better question, from where did Apple derive any moral authority?
Even better question, has Apple really earned any trust for matters of such seriousness?

They've done some pretty creepy (evil?) stuff under Tim Cook, while the fandom has conveniently been sleeping.
 

supercoolmanchu

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Reduction in consumption levels of Reaganomics is healthy for many reasons. I can see how it can be seen as an economic war on the middle class, as majority of consumers are middle class.

Biden at the very least has attempted to push for the big infrastructure projects, supporting his blue collar mates. Ponzi scheme lobby in US is quite strong and I am sure that in reality it is very hard to support real sector. This is where the tough stance of Russia is helping to keep a ponzi scheme lobby in US in check and have a potential to be a major game changer.
Reagonomics, Bretton Woods, "consumption reduction" morality... these are all superficial re-brands of central managed economies, aka socialism / communism / feudalism. I think you're confusing these as being somehow distinct based on political slogans.

I think there's a strong argument that Biden has a very tenuous grasp on political issues. There's no argument for Biden having any grasp of economic issues. He doesn't even speak that language.

If its centrally managed, its a Ponzi, because governments don't produce anything of value, they only take. Infrastructure projects of the federal scale do not benefit the blue collar sector, they benefit the mega corporation level, which has been typified by outsourcing, and destructive domestic regulations against any competition that might. This has been a cross party "feature" of both political teams for decades.
 
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I7guy

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Apple is within its right to do what it wants. If you don’t like their direction, you can:
1) sue
2) buy another cell phone
3) petition the government to regulate apple
4) post nonsense on Macrumors
 

VictorTango777

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There are legions ??? on Twitter supporting the BoycottMcDonalds hashtag.

Because McDonalds chooses to remain serving food to ordinary Russians.

As if banning ordinary Russian civilians from eating Chicken McNuggets would being down Putin’s military. ?

After 9/11, Indian people in the US were discriminated against and attacked. For the past 2 years China has been blamed for spreading a deadly virus that has killed millions of people but is also paradoxically not a real problem, no need for public health rules. Meanwhile, Asian people whether they are Chinese or not, are being discriminated against, harrassed and physically assaulted. Now I'm wondering if we will see random white people attacked for looking like Russian.
 
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Apple Crusader

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Apple is not attempting to stop the spread of stolen classified defense designs. They are trying to stop the spread of CSAM. Apple is already scanning icloud backups. But it they stop CSAM from being synched to icloud they can fully encrypt icloud.

So if your interpretation is apple doesn't trust it's users, well neither do facebook or google. But at this point it seems far astray of the original thread premise.
What law is there that requires Apple to scan users files for "illegal" [read: CSAM is about stopping political dissent, not csam] content before they can encrypt the cloud?

There is absolutely NO POINT in encryption if Apple can, at the will of any government or its representatives, retrieve your content and inspect it at will for any reason.

Your argument is just as Stupid as that What's App commercial claiming that not even they can read your messages, but then the same week they are censoring What's App messages for "political misinformation" in France.
 

Apple Crusader

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Apple is within its right to do what it wants. If you don’t like their direction, you can:
1) sue
2) buy another cell phone
3) petition the government to regulate apple
4) post nonsense on Macrumors
Ah yes, the classic you have no real counter argument, so you revert to the "don't buy it if you won't want it" fallacy.
 

I7guy

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There is absolutely NO POINT in encryption if Apple can, at the will of any government or its representatives, retrieve your content and inspect it at will for any reason.

Your argument is just as Stupid as that What's App commercial claiming that not even they can read your messages, but then the same week they are censoring What's App messages for "political misinformation" in France.
Sure if one believes in alt facts. Make up any reason at all to deflect from the main purpose of what apple says it wants to accomplish.
Ah yes, the classic you have no real counter argument, so you revert to the "don't buy it if you won't want it" fallacy.
Voting with your $$$ is the strongest form of sending a message to a mass market consumer company that they aren’t doing a good job in manufacturing products people want to buy. See blackberry for an example.
 
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Apple Crusader

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Sure if one believes in alt facts. Make up any reason at all to deflect from the main purpose of what apple says it wants to accomplish.

Voting with your $$$ is the strongest form of sending a message to a mass market consumer company that they aren’t doing a good job in manufacturing products people want to buy. See blackberry for an example.
It's not alt facts, Apple is a far-left tech company. Any moron that believes Apple won't go down the slippery slope of scanning for other "unwanted" content at the request of the government (Especially the Chinese government) is naive.

Apple may stand up to the US Government publicly when it involves terrorist, claiming they can't unlock a phone after a mass murder because "we care about privacy", but they will bend over backwards for the authoritarian Chinese government who wants to make any dissenting opinions a though crime (and to be able to identify those opinions).

Don't think for a second they won't use their powers to influence "free" elections by censoring memes for the opposition in the "free" world.
 
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Solomani

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After 9/11, Indian people in the US were discriminated against and attacked. For the past 2 years China has been blamed for spreading a deadly virus that has killed millions of people but is also paradoxically not a real problem, no need for public health rules. Meanwhile, Asian people whether they are Chinese or not, are being discriminated against, harrassed and physically assaulted. Now I'm wondering if we will see random white people attacked for looking like Russian.
Extreme Russophobia will be acknowledged in the coming months, guaranteed.

No one even needs to look Russian. Their Russian-sounding surnames will suffice. And what does that mean? It means racists and xenophobes in the USA will mistakenly BEAT UP and violently punch Ukrainian-Americans in the face, mistaking them for ethnic "Russians" and Russian-Americans. Because in many cases, Ukrainians and Russians have very similar sounding (Slavic) family names.

It's a sad hateful civilization we live in now. It will get worse.
 

avz

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If its centrally managed, its a Ponzi, because governments don't produce anything of value, they only take.
Lol. Puppet governments don't produce anything of real value, this may be true, but to say that all governments don't produce anything of real value shows the lack of any conceptual knowledge whatsoever.

Do you even understand the difference between a large territory(with no matter how big population) and a country(State)?
 

alchemistmuffin

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I am not worried about that, don't make enough to pay taxes any more. Good info for those making a substantial donation. Every dollar helps.

Who said it is not tax deductible? Here is a copy of my Apple receipt clearly indicating it is a donation to Unicef. That would be like saying a Visa donation is and a Mastercard is not.
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Don't worry about it.
iTunes receipt will NOT be accepted for tax deduction. For acceptable tax deduction receipt it needs to Have designation, location where it was issued, donation date.

IRS tends to be super picky…..

Attached is type of receipt IRS will accept. (Name redacted…)
 

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Fred Zed

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Understood, but please don’t be claiming the moral high ground when being a sissy. (Tim Cook, not you) Cook himself is gay and claims to support gay folks, but he removed the pride flag in Russia. He claims that privacy is a fundamental human right but let’s CCP keep user data. Again, while he does have an obligation to shareholders, he can also shut up and not make hypocritical statements.
He’s not gay. He’s just feminine a little. A bit like myself. 🤣
 
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Fred Zed

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Are you saying FoxNews is not accurate? And I’m talking the news shows, not the talking heads opinion shows.

What’s a good example of independently verified news in the US?
Well a good start would be to keep an open mind and view stories from multiple regions and biases. Then use your own mind and judgment.
 
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