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Apple Notifying iPhone 6s Pre-Order Customers About Shipping Delays Ahead of Pope Visit
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it's not the religion that has done harm, it is the people who have and still use religion for their interpretation and beliefs, just as anti-religious atheists have done to justify their interpretation of a perfect world- ie: Polpot, Stalin, the Albanians, the Khmer Rouge, the Chinese, and on and on..
In other words..it is us that have persecuted and killed throughout the ages.
In other words..it is us that have persecuted and killed throughout the ages.
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Glad to hear that all is clear! I'll try to fit in the Highlands one night. Sounds fantastic...thanks!
The Pope's visit has caused road closures around the city of Philadelphia. Highways, yes you read right, are being closed to traffic. There's a radius around the city that cars can't park on the street. No one is getting in and out of the city via car/truck/bus so needless to say, shipping isn't happening.
But for Philly, the facility is at the airport. Surely those going into Marlton/Cherry Hill can get over the Walt Whitman bridge without having to go anywhere near the city..
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The pope is by far the most important religious leader in the world though. And I'm an atheist Jew.
I'm not really interested in feeding a troll on this subject, which is clearly what you are.
Oh, but it is the religion that has done the harm. And don't start that conflation of brutal dictators with atheists, and somehow claiming that atheism is a religion. Saying "It's not the religion" is equivalent to the nutbab NRA members who say "Guns don't kill people, it's the people....blah blah blah"
Sorry, I thought the Catholic Church was evil BECAUSE of all the money they had? I'm confused.
It is no conflation that anti religionists are related to brutal dictators, that is a historical fact. Atheism is non-belief without prejudice, but what you spout is extreme prejudice and non-tolerance which is akin to anti-religion. You must think knives kill people too..please let someone else cut the turkey at thanksgiving next time.-thanks.
Steve would have invoked his doctrine of Infallibility.
Those religions you mention do not have centralized management and a strict hierarchy. There may have been instances of child abuse by other clergymen; but there could not have been large-scale organized cover-ups, because there are no other large-scale organizations.
BTW, to suggest that child abuse is considered "honorable" by religions of which one is unfamilar is small-minded, ignorant, xenophobic and bigoted.
I'm sorry, are you saying that taking a stance against an institution that covered up hundreds of instances of sexual abuse against young boys, is an invalid one? It's not like I'm making an argument that volcanoes are an illusion, or cats are superior to dogs. You want to defend an institution such as that, that's fine, but what does that say about what you are willing to overlook? If it's dressed in the right religious and moral tones, what level of evil could you overlook? It's a valid question, and I don't expect an answer because I believe that's a personal question you should ask yourself.
To me this has nothing to do about delays for iPhones, this has to do with legitimizing an institution that has shown a level a serious level of corruption. To me that's unacceptable.
This is the internet equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you".
I think there is far more to the Catholic Church than this one thing. You can take any large institution that wields actual power, and find at least one terrible thing.
Personally I find this Pope to be an admirable and brave figure because he is addressing head-on THE single most critical issue threatening the world today-- which is, a complete absence of respect for and civility to others who may hold contrary opinions. That is the true impediment to working together to resolve all those little annoyances such as destruction of the environment, growing income inequality, and so on.
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There's more to the Catholic church than sexual abuse, no doubt. But please don't call the coverup of multiple cases of abuse "one thing". That's the whole problem, was done over and over and over again. I mean take VW. They lied about emissions, right? What if they said the problem was fixed and than they continued the behavior. What is they continued to do that dozens of times? The main purpose of VW would be that they still make cars, but wouldn't you want to question their integrity as a company?
I question the integrity of the Catholic church not because abuse defines what the Catholic church, but because it was an ongoing coverup and continual lying to the public, even in face of considerable evidence provided by the media at large. The abuse may never have defined the Catholic church as an institution, but the Catholic church temporarily flirted with becoming almost a criminal organization with connotations of religion.
It got so bad that the criminal behavior almost became the *main* aspect of the Catholic church and religion became *secondary*. I'm not saying that's the case today, but what I am saying is that these events were recent and there's absolutely no reason for the public to give the Catholic church such as easy time when they deserve otherwise. I'm sorry, but they've *earned* a lack of respect. It should take *years* for them to earn that trust back; decades.
Came to this thread expecting to find people complaining about shipment. Found people discussing pedophilia. 
Came to this thread expecting to find people complaining about shipment. Found people discussing pedophilia.
You came here to complain that your latest iToy got delayed? Get over it, the Pope is more important! He feeds the poor, and he's the most important religious leader in the world. You should count yourself lucky, your iPhone will be blessed!
No, no, my iToy is just fine. I'm not in the collateral damage zone being wreaked by the pope. Is he important? Is he more important than Jonny Ives? I don't think so.
it's funny watching atheists complaining about actions of church members goes against god's words/lessons/whatever..
i mean, you don't believe in god, you think church is baloney.. the congregation is equally as human as yourself.. humans do a bunch of f'd up crap to each other..
like- don't you expect humans to rape humans? that's what we do as a species and all walks of life.. why so surprised if a human that gathers on sunday with others to sing hymns -- rapes someone?
i mean, you don't believe in god, you think church is baloney.. the congregation is equally as human as yourself.. humans do a bunch of f'd up crap to each other..
like- don't you expect humans to rape humans? that's what we do as a species and all walks of life.. why so surprised if a human that gathers on sunday with others to sing hymns -- rapes someone?
I most certainly am anti-religion, wholeheartedly without a doubt. Religion is one of the worst things that ever happened to humainty.
And no, being anti religion does not automatically equate to some being a brutal dictator, or brutal anything, for that matter.
I would argue that human stupidity and arrogance is the worst thing that happens to religions.