yes because this is the same /sI don't care how much someone reads about cars, I am listening to the mechanic.
yes because this is the same /sI don't care how much someone reads about cars, I am listening to the mechanic.
No - we didn't go back to normal. We learned from it and made changes. Why do people think that 2019 was normal?Ahh yes, let's keep worrying about what if's and possible variants...the rest of the world is ready for normalcy. Just like the Spanish Flu, it still exists, but it's endemic and we have gone back to normal.
When we are talking about if a company should force employees and consumers into unsafe environments, yes the analogy works.yes because this is the same /s
Okay, have a great day. You do you.No - we didn't go back to normal. We learned from it and made changes. Why do people think that 2019 was normal?
You too, but please don't kill anyone.Okay, have a great day. You do you.
What's the point of elected or appointed experts if regular folks can "interpret" the data themselves to fulfill their own confirmation bias? Politics always get involved but that doesn't excuse people and politicians who reject expert guidance for their own convenience or political position. And there were some confusing and contradictory statements coming from the CDC but again, I followed the guidance and the law. It wasn't too hard and didn't require me to do my own research because I had the best scientists and doctors already on the case for me.Because you have to be either of those things to interpret data and risk? This is such a tired argument lol.
It doesn’t take an expert or very much data to know that developing something that quickly and injecting something into your body with hardly any testing and zero long term data is not the best idea. And that has nothing to do with politics either.What's the point of elected or appointed experts if regular folks can "interpret" the data themselves to fulfill their own confirmation bias? Politics always get involved but that doesn't excuse people and politicians who reject expert guidance for their own convenience or political position. And there were some confusing and contradictory statements coming from the CDC but again, I followed the guidance and the law. It wasn't too hard and didn't require me to do my own research because I had the best scientists and doctors already on the case for me.
Weird, because I remember overstuffed hospital wards filled with covid patients, routine medical services being unavailable due to the resulting healthcare shortages, and refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies lining the streets.Doesn't matter. Everyone who is concerned can protect themselves. I know I hear the argument well there are certain people that can't get the vaccine...yea...that has always been the case with every virus. Not much you can do about that.
The other argument is risking medical capcity. That was an overblown point and very isolated. People being triaged like what happened in Italy early on, never happened in the US on any major scale outside of a few rural locations.
”Deprioritize”. What a sick way to think about another humanWeird, because I remember overstuffed hospital wards filled with covid patients, routine medical services being unavailable due to the resulting healthcare shortages, and refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies lining the streets.
If you want to use vaccinated/unvaccinated as the end-all be-all metric, you need to deprioritize the unvaccinated in healthcare settings, blocking them from hospitals if necessary. If you want to go back to "normal", that means a stroke victim won't die in a hallway because unvaccinated covid patients are taking up all the ICU beds.
That's how triage works.”Deprioritize”. What a sick way to think about another human
Not for any other “vaccine” in history.That's how triage works.
Please provide me some data on how many non-covid patients died because hospitals were full and they couldn't get treatment.Weird, because I remember overstuffed hospital wards filled with covid patients, routine medical services being unavailable due to the resulting healthcare shortages, and refrigerator trucks filled with dead bodies lining the streets.
If you want to use vaccinated/unvaccinated as the end-all be-all metric, you need to deprioritize the unvaccinated in healthcare settings, blocking them from hospitals if necessary. If you want to go back to "normal", that means a stroke victim won't die in a hallway because unvaccinated covid patients are taking up all the ICU beds.
History is made every day.Not for any other “vaccine” in history.
Great question, seems our Government has way too much influence over peoples day to day lives. I followed the guidance as too, until they went too far. No problems with masks, I love the vaccine, but forcing those things on people once the vaccine was available was the end of compliance from me. Individual at that point could protect themselves, but people always want the Government to take care of them.What's the point of elected or appointed experts if regular folks can "interpret" the data themselves to fulfill their own confirmation bias? Politics always get involved but that doesn't excuse people and politicians who reject expert guidance for their own convenience or political position. And there were some confusing and contradictory statements coming from the CDC but again, I followed the guidance and the law. It wasn't too hard and didn't require me to do my own research because I had the best scientists and doctors already on the case for me.
Please provide me some data on how many non-covid patients died because hospitals were full and they couldn't get treatment.
All I see is a few anecdotal stories and some studies claiming a certain number of deaths are possible. No actual data on how many have died because they couldn't get treatment in time and died.Impact of Hospital Strain on Excess Deaths During the COVID-19 ...
This report describes excess deaths from hospital strain from ...www.cdc.govAlabama man dies after being turned away from 43 hospitals as covid packs ICUs, family says
The family of Ray DeMonia, 73, is urging people to get vaccinated after dozens of hospitals in three states were too overrun with covid-19 patients to treat him.www.washingtonpost.comPeople Without COVID Are Dying Because Hospitals Are Full of Unvaxxed Patients
The daughter of an Iowa man who died after waiting two weeks for a hospital bed blames unvaccinated COVID patients for “clogging” hospitals.www.vice.com
I gave you a study that used actual excess deaths during covid relative to ICU capacity to create a general model and stories of people in Alabama, Iowa, and Texas who died because there was no hospital space to show that it actually happens and isn't some hoax.All I see is a few anecdotal stories and some studies claiming a certain number of deaths are possible. No actual data on how many have died because they couldn't get treatment in time and died.
I believe it happened, not at any great scale. Also, excess death is not the same thing as death because a hospital is full. I'm not an anti-vaxxer covid denier, but the hospitals being overrun and causing widespread triaging or turning people away were entirely overblown by the media. Did it happen, yes, did it happen as it did in Italy, no it did not. That study does not use any actual numbers, just estimates, and doesn't provide info on the actual reality of how many people have died due to hospital overflow. It's also from the middle of 2021. You'd think if this was as widespread an issue as people are saying, we'd have some hard data.I gave you a study that used actual excess deaths during covid relative to ICU capacity to create a general model and stories of people in Alabama, Iowa, and Texas who died because there was no hospital space to show that it actually happens and isn't some hoax.
How many people died in Italy because there was no more room in hospitals?I believe it happened, not at any great scale. I'm not an anti-vaxxer covid denier, but the hospitals being overrun and causing widespread triaging or turning people away were entirely overblown by the media. Did it happen, yes, did it happen as it did in Italy, no it did not. That study does not use any actual numbers, just estimates, and doesn't provide info on the actual reality of how many people have died due to hospital overflow. It's also from the middle of 2021. You'd think if this was as widespread an issue as people are saying, we'd have some hard data.
In the first wave when this all started, there were lots according to the media and photos and videos at the time. I would like to see some data on that too as well as for the US.How many people died in Italy because there was no more room in hospitals?
The media focus has found new things to talk about. So companies aren’t about to be dragged over the coals for doing something completely reasonable.Unfotunitatly there are too many people who refuse to get back to normal and want to live in a perpetual state of terror as well. Thankfully FINALLY, common sense is prevailing.
We get it. You are free to lock yourself in and wear your mask alone while driving. WE GET IT. The rest of us will move on with life.Sure. You do you. I am sure some people disagreed with Pythagora as well. It probably only slowed us down a few hundred years.
That's the issue here. Apple is at such a rush to move back to in-person not because they think it's safe but because it's cheaper. It's a real shame, given other companies look to them for guidance on what they should be doing.
That’s not a statement you should be proud of.Apple may be ready...but I'm not!
I'm even too afraid to take the mask off of my avatar.
That’s a really poor argument considering how skewed the average age in Italy is on top of the amount of people in overall poor health and/or smoke. But please …continue.….How many people died in Italy because there was no more room in hospitals?