Yep.... Binary choices being the only way the world works. 🙄
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Apple Threatens to Pull FaceTime and iMessage in the UK Over Proposed Surveillance Law Changes
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I just find it funny that people don't understand that a government is limited in its power and when it starts barking orders without any input from whom they are ordering around, they are no longer a democracy but an oligarchic tyranny.
Just because the people are stupid enough to vote for oligarchs doesn't make it a democracy.
I think the EU and UK should listen to Apple and Google and Amazon and involve them in the process by letting them coordinate and discuss rather than "Shut up and do as we say! People are dumb enough to vote in oligarchic tyranny, it must be democracy!"
If Apple would just permit sideloading, customers wouldn’t care (and nobody would comply with the law.)
Apps would just be hosted outside the UK and you’d use something like TOR to communicate with the server, so the government would be fairly powerless to stop anyone from using whatever secure communication apps they want.
Apple would care, maybe, since the communication software wouldn’t be theirs anymore, but I think that’d be a good way to start breaking down the monopoly that is Apple.
Apps would just be hosted outside the UK and you’d use something like TOR to communicate with the server, so the government would be fairly powerless to stop anyone from using whatever secure communication apps they want.
Apple would care, maybe, since the communication software wouldn’t be theirs anymore, but I think that’d be a good way to start breaking down the monopoly that is Apple.
i'm sure that's what will eventually happen, and we don't know if offers to do such a thing haven't already happened.
but neither side come out of it looking good when one says that is what we want and the other side says no chance we'll pull out.
I mean, by your very definition, its a democracy as they voted for the oligarchy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
iCloud, I assume is used a lot but I am not sure if the legislation relates to iCloud or only communication protocols.
I don't know about that. For one, not that many people in the UK use iMessage (less than 25%). Besides, the UK isn't China. If China was making the demands, Apple could cave in like they have before.
Censorship, Surveillance and Profits: A Hard Bargain for Apple in China (Published 2021)
Apple built the world’s most valuable business on top of China. Now it has to answer to the Chinese government.
GUIYANG, China — On the outskirts of this city in a poor, mountainous province in southwestern China, men in hard hats recently put the finishing touches on a white building a quarter-mile long with few windows and a tall surrounding wall. There was little sign of its purpose, apart from the flags of Apple and China flying out front, side by side.
Inside, Apple was preparing to store the personal data of its Chinese customers on computer servers run by a state-owned Chinese firm.
Tim Cook, Apple’s chief executive, has said the data is safe. But at the data center in Guiyang, which Apple hoped would be completed by next month, and another in the Inner Mongolia region, Apple has largely ceded control to the Chinese government.
Chinese state employees physically manage the computers. Apple abandoned the encryption technology it used elsewhere after China would not allow it.
Apple’s Compromises in China: 5 Takeaways (Published 2021)
To stay on the good side of the Chinese authorities, the company has made decisions that contradict its carefully curated image.
- Apple stores customer data on Chinese government servers.
- Apple now shares customer data with the Chinese government.
- Apple proactively removes apps to placate Chinese officials.
- Apple banned apps from a Communist Party critic.
- Tens of thousands of iPhone apps have disappeared in China.
Speaking as another Briton, I hope the Uk stick to their guns. WE need to push the government to change this not some US corporation.
We need to show Rishi that we have the power to change things or they'll walk all over us for ever.
Apple wouldn't be interested if it was someone else.
Lol so they should just pay millions in fines and/or risk jail time so that posters on this forum will consider them "brave?"
The PR value alone by standing their ground would be gigantic
Probably sitting on their hands until the last possible moment, playing both sides, quickly surrendering to fascism, and constantly interjecting that it's pronounced "kwAHson."
(Note to the MR censors—this is a joke.)
Absolutely, I blame them. Unlocking phones also compromises security for all users as experts have testified under oath. There is no such thing as a back door that only gets used by the good guys. Becoming a surveillance state to all is by far a worse crime to human freedom than the supposed good the surveillance would enable. The problem is the evil that would be empowered with that surveillance.
Speaks to the incompetence of the UK PM. He should hire people that understand technology and advise him appropriately. What his govt. is asking is impossible for security reasons. He should know that.
The fact that he doesn't know that or ignores appropriate advice simply demonstrates his own incompetence.
The fact that he doesn't know that or ignores appropriate advice simply demonstrates his own incompetence.
I thankfully didn’t vote for these utter corrupt clowns but a few on here have and will still defend their choice out of embarrassment.
What a joke we’ve become.
iMessage is pretty useless in the UK and EU but FaceTime is used by everyone and would be a big loss.
just assume the tories will roll over again as usual for some brown envelopes like they will with the Microsoft Activision deal.
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how do you know who has voted for who? i don't think anyone has advertised what their voting preference is/was.
Speaks to the incompetence of the UK PM. He should hire people who understand technology and would have made that clear to him. He either didn't hire them, or he didn't understand them or chose to ignore them, which means he really couldn't understand why he was asking can't be done.
The UK needs to elect a PM that in this day and age understands the value of hiring staff that understand technology.
As a UK based iPhone user of many years with many friends and business acquaintances who own iPhones I can only offer my own experience, which is, nobody I know uses Facetime or iMessage.
We use WhatsApp for video chats and messaging.
I occasionally use iMessage to send a text message.
If Apple removes these features it won't make any difference.
yet my experience is the opposite.
and what's the sample group?
also, that graph makes no sense by listing percentages
i'd also query how more people can be using facetime than imessage, that makes little sense.
change the sample group to under 25s and bet discord would be higher than "8%", remove business users and "teams" would disappear off the list.
also, that graph makes no sense by listing percentages
i'd also query how more people can be using facetime than imessage, that makes little sense.
change the sample group to under 25s and bet discord would be higher than "8%", remove business users and "teams" would disappear off the list.