China Accuses Apple of 'Protecting Rioters' After Approving HKmap Live for the App Store

[rizzo41999]

Move along, China.

 

[Salty Pirate]

F China

 

[JosephAW]

The joys of communism. Difficult to be an international company.

 

[Hastings101]

Our American buznesses should stay out of affairs of glorious Chinese state, we only want to help the Hong Kong see joy

 

[Plutonius]

At least in this case, Apple is behaving much better than the NBA.

 

[webbuzz]

China is way ahead of anyone else is manufacturing--not just in numbers, but in skill, experience and infrastructure. Moving elsewhere will take decades, enormous cost or both. Plus the trade routes they've built, and access to resources around the world. Time Cook could explain it all much better, but they have built an environment that is unparalleled for producing goods.

Western folks are nearly gleeful when they find a poor quality Chinese product, but the iPhone is made their too, and nearly every other premium product. They know how to cut costs and make affordable products as well as incredible ones, and have the resources to cover all price points.

I would expect trouble from Apple devices made outside China (even though they may not report on the low yield of products not passing QA).

Intellectual property theft certainly helps.

 

[LordVic]

At least in this case, Apple is behaving much better than the NBA.

Or Blizzard/Activision.

Did you see their nonsense over the weekend?

Blitzchung (Gamer) won a Blizzard hosted tournament. He was set to receive a large sum of money.

During his winning speech, he brought up support for Hong Kong. Blizzard pulled out a clause in their contract that said they can disqualify for anything that put Acti/Blizzard in "negative light".

They banned Blitzchung from Blizzard tournaments and games for 1 year and withdrew the prize money.

All because Blitzchung criticized China.

 

[Regbial]

"Rioters" is an incorrect term. They are foreign-backed terrorists who do more than property damage, but derail _passenger_ trains and beat civilians and journalists, usually unprovoked. They have received at least $29 million dollars from a foreign government organization which is run by the head of the Contra program. They've met with Western government officials and are seen as being instructed by agents from the west working with them in HK. They wave American flags, and praise Trump and Neo-Nazi favourite "PePe" the frog through signs and spray paint. They ask the West to invade using their military.

Their goal is cripple the economy through fear, destruction of transportation infrastructure and violence that makes many afraid to leave their homes or open their businesses. And it's clearly a network, with leaders praised by war mongers. Remember when the US trained Al Qaeda and so many other violent groups? Pulling off the same in China will be hard, but that seems to be what the West hopes to do.

If I made an Al Qaeda app, to help extremists discuss, meet and locate one another, I'd be in big trouble. When the same is done to aid enemies of China, Apple approves it.

Integrating HK into China will be a slow process, they know this. After the outrageous murder of a Chinese girl by a HK teen who is now walking free, the justice system recommended a small step: extradition for crimes committed in other countries. HK folks can't just murder folks and then go home to face no punishment. But send in professionals in psyops, lie in the Western media, train and finance terrorists, and you have a may just get a new Eastern Contra style system that can damage the country at large.

But I think China is wise and will solve this attempt at proxy attack.

Do you have proof or sources to substantiate your claims?
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Now let’s see how strong Apples SJW stand really is.
Courage lol

Yeah this “normies r always bad kek hurr hurr” attitude is kind of getting boring. Not to mention a bit infantile. Just imo. Not to say the “SJWs” don’t sometimes go off the deep end like with ANita Sarkeesian and Gamergate or w/e, but you can’t just say everyone standing for social justice and the well being of humanity is wrong or stupid because of a few misguided outliers...

 

[lixuelai]

All because he was speaking Mandarin while grabbing lunch. Of course the police are no angels either, however if the rioters are looking to create something better, they need to prove that they are up to a higher standard.

 

[ElectricPotato]

But I think China is wise and will solve this attempt at proxy attack.

That sounds familiar. Oh, yeah. Trump's "In my great and unmatched wisdom..."

 

[Regbial]

And everyone saying “omg communism, see what it does?” ... idk... To me it’s more broad Chinese culture than that. It’s not black and white. Countries and people have each thier different forms of capitalism and government, some more effective, others more damaging. But I think saying blanket statements gets us nowhere... US and other countries need some socialism right now. Saying “butt butt Venezuela” means nothing when the government officals in that country are so corrupt and money-grubbing. But there are other countries with more socialist attitudes that are doing better than fine. Guess it all depends on who carries these things out and their values. Or who knows.. maybe I’m just too naive..

 

[Sedulous]

"Rioters" is an incorrect term. They are foreign-backed terrorists who do more than property damage, but derail _passenger_ trains and beat civilians and journalists, usually unprovoked. They have received at least $29 million dollars from a foreign government organization which is run by the head of the Contra program. They've met with Western government officials and are seen as being instructed by agents from the west working with them in HK. They wave American flags, and praise Trump and Neo-Nazi favourite "PePe" the frog through signs and spray paint. They ask the West to invade using their military.

Their goal is cripple the economy through fear, destruction of transportation infrastructure and violence that makes many afraid to leave their homes or open their businesses. And it's clearly a network, with leaders praised by war mongers. Remember when the US trained Al Qaeda and so many other violent groups? Pulling off the same in China will be hard, but that seems to be what the West hopes to do.

If I made an Al Qaeda app, to help extremists discuss, meet and locate one another, I'd be in big trouble. When the same is done to aid enemies of China, Apple approves it.

Integrating HK into China will be a slow process, they know this. After the outrageous murder of a Chinese girl by a HK teen who is now walking free, the justice system recommended a small step: extradition for crimes committed in other countries. HK folks can't just murder folks and then go home to face no punishment. But send in professionals in psyops, lie in the Western media, train and finance terrorists, and you have a may just get a new Eastern Contra style system that can damage the country at large.

But I think China is wise and will solve this attempt at proxy attack.

Nice post, you’ve earned those 50 cents. Your argument falls apart when one considers roughly half the population of HK has protested. I personally know several of them.

 

[LordVic]

it's amusing whenever I start to see Chinese nationals that are pro-beijing comment because they ironically ignore history and fail to undrstand why Hong Kong is rioting against China.

I'm by no means an expert, but the Hong Kong issue does have ties here in Canada so we get the news about it and what's going on. Plus it has affected us population / immigration wise directly since the 80's

Hong Kongmay have once been part of Mainland, But since the 1840's it was operated by the British. As a British Colony, Hong Kong vastly outpaced the rest of China in economic wealth and growth. it's population skyrocketted as mainlanders who wanted a better, more free life escaped China and moved to Hong Kong.

It was not until 1984, when Thatcher decided to sign over Hong Kong back to China with a date of July 1st 1997 for the transition did tensions in Hong Kong and china start raising up.

From the 80's through 90s, Hong Kong saw millions of people escape the impending China communist take over. The very government that mots of them ran from when they moved to Hong Kong. Those who could afford to at least ran to the west, Canada (Toronto/Markham Ontario) namely being a prime location for that emmigration.

So fast forward another 15 years, And those who couldn't afford to emmigrate, and the millions others who saw their home change from a fairly free, market economy, to a communist dictatorship.

So it's not surprising that eventually, tensions would flare and those who desire for the freedom of the past are rebellious towards a dictatorship that has a long history of abuses of it's people.

 

[Sedulous]

And everyone saying “omg communism, see what it does?” ... idk... To me it’s more broad Chinese culture than that. It’s not black and white. Countries and people have each thier different forms of capitalism and government, some more effective, others more damaging. But I think saying blanket statements gets us nowhere... US and other countries need some socialism right now. Saying “butt butt Venezuela” means nothing when the government officals in that country are so corrupt and money-grubbing. But there are other countries with more socialist attitudes that are doing better than fine. Guess it all depends on who carries these things out and their values. Or who knows.. maybe I’m just too naive..

Socialism is ok but totalitarianism (China’s communist party) is not.

 

[lixuelai]

it's amusing whenever I start to see Chinese nationals that are pro-beijing comment because they ironically ignore history and fail to undrstand why Hong Kong is rioting against China.

...

So it's not surprising that eventually, tensions would flare and those who desire for the freedom of the past are rebellious towards a dictatorship that has a long history of abuses of it's people.

Don't you also find it amusing to see people on the other side of the planet accuse others of ignoring history and failing to understand...

 

[miniyou64]

Or Blizzard/Activision.

Did you see their nonsense over the weekend?

Blitzchung (Gamer) won a Blizzard hosted tournament. He was set to receive a large sum of money.

During his winning speech, he brought up support for Hong Kong. Blizzard pulled out a clause in their contract that said they can disqualify for anything that put Acti/Blizzard in "negative light".

They banned Blitzchung from Blizzard tournaments and games for 1 year and withdrew the prize money.

All because Blitzchung criticized China.

That’s a different situation. Blitzchung was respresenting the company after agreeing to a contract. While I agree with him, Blizzard has every right to enforce their agreement.

 

[LordVic]

Socialism is ok but totalitarianism (China’s communist party) is not.

it's all part of the propaganda, especially by "right wing" in the west.

They make zero differentiation between communism, socialism, Totalitarianism,a nd dictatorships.

It's complete indication fo a lack of education into political science and thoery. These things are not only not created equally, but are also not on the same political compass axis.

So whenever I hear someone on the "right" screaming in response to something they don't know/like "BUT SOCIALISM"... it's a red flag right away that the individual you're talking with doesn't actually know what they're talking about.

Socialism for example, is an economic thoery. it does NOT relate in any way to the leadership style. Socialist policies and different implementations of socialist practices do not automatically replace democracy. They also do not outright replace a free market that can exist alongside it.

But given that, I am under no illusions that those who are going to continue with their dog whistle of "Socialism" are going to keep doing it.. Because a divided population is an easier to manipulate population. And when you have fear of the "Other" it's easier to sow discord and manipulate populations via populist actions
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That’s a different situation. Blitzchung was respresenting the company after agreeing to a contract. While I agree with him, Blizzard has every right to enforce their agreement.

Oh, I agree. Blizzard is a free enterprise and have to make a business decision.

The decision was basically ignore what Blitzchung said and potentially lose access to Chinese market and the billions of revenues that China brings in,

or alienate a few Westerners who are going to flock to social media and potentially only lose them a few million instead.

Purely business and money driven decision in which they are entitled to

Doesn't mean that the decision doesn't suck, or has moral and ethical implications that shows support, or even "bending of the knee" to Chinese government influence (China could threaten to ban Blizzard games from China)

 

[ElectricPotato]

We should all be thankful for the Steve Jobs Warriors!

A basketball team that plays on a court with one basket and with balls that are not reinflatable. Play different.

 

[Optheduim]

China's arm wrestling is not that surprising. However, I am interested to see how scenarios like this are going to play out in the long-term. We have, on one side, Western Culture taking pride in free speech, and the other, Eastern culture that will punish someone when they speak out.

I'm interested to see how this will play out, but I'm really really really hoping that Western Culture's free speech will be the winner.

 

[Solver]

Freedom and most types of governments do not mix.

 

[BWhaler]

Ok.... wow. Sarcasm???

I thought so too at first, but I think Mansu944 nailed it. This is most likeky al Chinese CyberOps account. Creepy to see them here on such a random tech fan site.

 

[stylinexpat]

I just arrived into HK so here is my update. Airport is all clear today. Roads at airport are clear. Buses are running but drivers as usually look really angry, will not reply to any questions and give everyone a dirty look. MTR is down and Express Train from airport is working though.
MTR machines were down too. I did not download that app though.

 

[HEK]

Apple needs to get iPhone production back to the United States. More than profits are involved here.

 

[stylinexpat]

The moral price of doing business in China has gotten too expensive. Profits are great but not when they require you to look the other way while your trading partner squashes the freedom of its people.

The US does business with other countries as well that occupy other countries which squashed the freedom of their people as well. Not only that but we give them money to do that also

 

[Salty Pirate]

socialism ok? you people are nuts. Socialism is just a bridge to totalitarianism.

any loss of rights or suppression of free speech is not ok.

socialism is just a slippery slope to economic disaster. we will all be equally worthless