This bear repeating.
LOL at all the fanboys on both sides that don't get this.
Android, iOS and WP would all be years behind where they are if they weren't being constantly pushed by each other.
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General Does Apple knock Out Android with iOS 8?
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This bear repeating.
LOL at all the fanboys on both sides that don't get this.
Android, iOS and WP would all be years behind where they are if they weren't being constantly pushed by each other.
Windows Phone 8.1 didn't add ANY features that weren't already accessible to iOS and Android users. AKA Cortana, Action Center... (those are the only two i can think off)
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Motorola was sold to Lenovo and the Nexus line is outsourced.
Nexus is Google designed. Not much different then the stamp on Apple products "Designed in a California, built in China."
I think many on here fail to grasp the Apple way. Die hard Android fans seem to always use the "we had it first" axiom.
Apple is laser focused on two guiding principles:
1. User security/privacy
2. User experience
Does Apple always get this right...no, but they try like hell.
3rd party keyboards is a perfect example. Android has had this for years. However, Android users are subjected to key loggers and other malicious attacks. Whereas Apple has taken the time to ensure safeguards are established before opening up this part of iOS...end result...protect its user base. As soon as Apple announced support for 3rd party keyboards, Android users started throwing spears saying....we had that for years...without taking into account Apple ensuring its users were safeguarded against the very privacy issues those spear throwers are subjected to.
The axiom Android is flexible and Apple is secure is now shifting. Android is flexible and Apple is flexible AND secure.
Apple will never be as open as Android. I'm not bashing the Android platform. If others like the openness of it...great. Others (me included) don't mind being locked into an ecosystem without the extreme openness so long as we have a relatively secure platform. Like others on here have said repeatedly, I believe competition breeds innovation. But don't chuck spears without realizing the how & why first.
Apple is laser focused on two guiding principles:
1. User security/privacy
2. User experience
Does Apple always get this right...no, but they try like hell.
3rd party keyboards is a perfect example. Android has had this for years. However, Android users are subjected to key loggers and other malicious attacks. Whereas Apple has taken the time to ensure safeguards are established before opening up this part of iOS...end result...protect its user base. As soon as Apple announced support for 3rd party keyboards, Android users started throwing spears saying....we had that for years...without taking into account Apple ensuring its users were safeguarded against the very privacy issues those spear throwers are subjected to.
The axiom Android is flexible and Apple is secure is now shifting. Android is flexible and Apple is flexible AND secure.
Apple will never be as open as Android. I'm not bashing the Android platform. If others like the openness of it...great. Others (me included) don't mind being locked into an ecosystem without the extreme openness so long as we have a relatively secure platform. Like others on here have said repeatedly, I believe competition breeds innovation. But don't chuck spears without realizing the how & why first.
I would think what you said is in fact fairly close to the way people think. The last thing I want is more electronic clutter on my iphone and I'm very happy that with the iphone and I'm content with not customizing it continually.
That is not to say there aren't things I wish apple would address, but one takes the good with the bad.
Lol wut? WP8.1 is catching up to iOS 7 with action centre and catching up to iOS 5 with Cortana. iOS 4 with the closable multitasking
So when it says LG Nexus 5, it's not LG, it's Google? Samsungs makes iPhone components but it's not Apple Samsung iPhone. I'm curious to know how this whole Nexus line works but nah, I'll look it up later.
LG manufactures the phone to Google's spec. LG has zero input in the design.
The nexus line is being replaced with Android Silver early next year. It's going to fix the fragmentation and carrier bloatware issues and get pure android on 5 flagship phones. As well as having a store within a store, like the Samsung experience. At least so it is rumored.....
iOS 8 for sure won't "knock out" Android, but I do think it might thwart what was a possibly coming weakening of the iPhone's constant upward curve. I for one am now considering buying an iPhone again, for the first time since switching over to Android one year ago, and I'm sure I'm not alone. With the 3rd party keyboard option being the main reason, along with hopes for more freedom in sharing between apps.
Considering - but I'm not sure yet. It might be that I'm still too frustrated by all web links opening in Safari, by not being able to quickly attach any two files I want to an outgoing e-mail, by not being able to set up any one-click settings toggles I want right on the home screen, etc.
But in any case, iOS 8 is a step in the right direction for Apple, and one that will make a healthy prod towards Google to keep improving. (And BTW I couldn't care less who invented what functions first, the only thing that counts is who will have the best versions of them when the time comes to choose a new device.)
Considering - but I'm not sure yet. It might be that I'm still too frustrated by all web links opening in Safari, by not being able to quickly attach any two files I want to an outgoing e-mail, by not being able to set up any one-click settings toggles I want right on the home screen, etc.
But in any case, iOS 8 is a step in the right direction for Apple, and one that will make a healthy prod towards Google to keep improving. (And BTW I couldn't care less who invented what functions first, the only thing that counts is who will have the best versions of them when the time comes to choose a new device.)
Yes, but then Cortana leapfrogged over Siri and even Google Now, and the action center is (although requested a lot) not really useful. I have live tiles that tell me as much information already.
Closable multitasking is a myth - even when an application was "open" it wasn't using any resources - it's been that way since WP7 - the only difference is now there's a fancy little X to remove it from the task manger UI.
Apple will never dominate the market simply because there will always be a cheap market. Selling 2-3 year old hardware at "reduced cost" doesn't cut it. Apple would need off contract phones ranging from $150-$900 to appease the entire market segment and that will never happen.
You have to give permission for 3rd party keyboards to have internet access just like in iOS 8. Well not just like it, with android you need to give the permission before it's even downloaded. Two different ways of doing the same thing.
iOS does appear to utilize the stock keyboard for password entry regardless of keyboard which is a step toward more security but against the user experience. Personally I won't mind that too much but some will and have already stated as much.
Regardless my point is your example is contradicting you points.
1. Security, Android is similar in regards to allowing the keyboard system access without your permission.
2. User experience, is faulted with various keyboards throughout the UI regardless of how much you want to use just one keyboard (assuming it's not stock).
To be honest in terms of out of the box phones, pure android and IOS 8 doesn't much in it, some things iOS has, pure android doesn't ( integrated out of the box face time, some of the new i message features, continuity, a proper personal assistant )
in face I have the nexus 5 and it's pretty bare in terms of features if I'm honest, One could say it's as "boring" as Ios. What sets android apart is the customisability which iOS will probably never have.
its also hard to compare iOS with android, because there are many different versions of android , so some phones have features that are not on pure android.
I have had the note 3 with touch whizz and the operating system running android is just a piece of bloat ware if I'm honest, I hated it and considering the hard ware at the time was meant to be the best, it's actual real life performance just wasn't up to scratch.
then I got the nexus 5 and it's every bit as smooth and silky and beautiful as iOS IMO.
however like many people who agree, it seems iOS has caught up with Android in terms of main Features, Surpassed in in some areas, and looks more beautiful than most forms of android ( Since there are many forms of android).
I think Ios8 is a massive step in the right direction, I would love them to include more customisability one day, Maybe realising a good API to change the look of the operating system slightly , without inflckting on performance.
But either way android will live on, and so will iOS.
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Pure android is already as smooth as iOS IMO, my girlfriend has a iPhone 5s, and in some cases it seems my nexus 5 is snappier , it's also buttery smooth.
The problem is people compare the performance of touch whizz etc when in reality all that says is samsung can't development software for sh**.
But pure android for me is beautiful , runs smoothly and like iOS, doesn't contain an actual lot of features.
I'm sorry are you under the impression that Google cares about Android? You may want to read up
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/31/technology/revenue-and-profit-rise-at-google-but-mobile-struggles-continue.html
"Google executives would prefer that people stop talking about mobile at all."
Note: Google already is selling off the Mobility division to Lenovo.
It's only a matter of time before Android OS becomes vaporware as Google knows there is no money to be made with Android.
Don't get me wrong at all, Cortana is amazing and you can go through a previous thread called "Cortana is amazing"
Hell I genuinely like the way WP works but there to me seems like a lack of Google services. Plus the way continuity works...
I hope to god Android never dies.
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Won't happen. Unless Google stays hating Android.
Apple is 100% behind it's iOS development because it is a major component that drives their iOS device market.
Microsoft stands behind it's Mobile Windows OS because it also contributes to their revenue.
Google half-heartedly developed Android a few years ago and until today is not making much money from it despite the fact that it is pouring tons of money into it. It's only a matter of time before they pull the plug.
If I'm not mistaken till this day Google makes more money from iOS devices than it's own Android.
There is a difference between your house getting robbed and you selling articles in your home for money... It is quite simple actually...
Does Apple knock Out Android with iOS 8?
As much as it pains me to read this post, it is sound. Google does have little money to gain from maintaining Android at its present rate as a direct competitor to iOS and Windows on the surface.
However, sometimes things go beyond simple dollars and cents on the front end. By ensuring Android runs on almost all types of devices, from $100-$900 they ensure people use their services including Maps, Drive etc.....
With Apple seeking out Bing for some of its services, and Windows using... well Bing, Google doesn't have much market share anymore outside of Android.
Lose Android and risk losing the mobile market unless you strike a huge deal with Apple to make Google its sole search provider.
In that respect I don't see Google dropping Android anytime soon. It's too large a pipeline to its other services.
As much as it pains me to read this post, it is sound. Google does have little money to gain from maintaining Android at its present rate as a direct competitor to iOS and Windows on the surface.
However, sometimes things go beyond simple dollars and cents on the front end. By ensuring Android runs on almost all types of devices, from $100-$900 they ensure people use their services including Maps, Drive etc.....
With Apple seeking out Bing for some of its services, and Windows using... well Bing, Google doesn't have much market share anymore outside of Android.
Lose Android and risk losing the mobile market unless you strike a huge deal with Apple to make Google its sole search provider.
In that respect I don't see Google dropping Android anytime soon. It's too large a pipeline to its other services.
You are incorrect. In Android, the permission system in place is one of all or nothing. You either accept the privileges the app is asking for or you can't download or use the app. Want to download a specific picture editor, but don't want it having access to your location? Tough luck. Want to install that new game that just came out, but feel uncomfortable with the idea that it wants access to your contacts? Too bad.
The only way to refuse is to not download the app. Not so on iOS, where any permission can be granted or revoked at any time.
No doubt for 3rd party keyboards on iOS, it'll utilize the same fine-grained permission system iOS has in place which means you can customize what permissions an app can or cannot be granted. Meaning you can forbid the keyboard from having internet access, but still be able to use it.
(Oh and news flash: In 4.4.3, "internet access" isn't even listed as a permission anymore. It's basically granted by default for all apps requesting it with no way of even knowing which app is doing so.)
So no. It's not two ways of doing the same thing. Permissions in iOS have always been vastly superior and no doubt will remain so with 3rd party keyboards.