I guess we’re arguing over the word “significant”. The difference is significant enough that republicans have won the popular vote for president once in the last 30 years or so.
He’s pretending to be independent, which we all know he’s not.Still, around 45% to 51% of voters chose the Republican presidential candidates in elections this century including over 74 million in the 2020 election. I just don't see how that could be considered a "significant minority." You might as well then call democrats a significant minority too.
I never said they can't do it...my argument was that yes, moderation can be censorship. If I don't like a platform, I simply do not use it.Twitter can do whatever it wants to, whenever it wants to and your right to free speech wouldn't be violated
Like I said, you are just arguing over the word "significant". We can agree to disagree on what we each consider significant. You brought up the 2020 election. I consider 7 million people to be a significant number.Still, around 45% to 51% of voters chose the Republican presidential candidates in elections this century including over 74 million in the 2020 election. I just don't see how that could be considered a "significant minority." You might as well then call democrats a significant minority too.
You seem awfully sure about something you know nothing about.He’s pretending to be independent, which we all know he’s not.
More partisan nonsense.And, since ‘the right’ has such a large physical and online presence, it makes you wonder if those votes are accurate.
But of course, our elections are secure - unless Trump wins, then they cheated.
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You really didn't, but tell yourself whatever you like.I did address it. The fact that you're deliberately ignoring what I said doesn't make what I said any less true.
Wow. 40 Pages in this thread reference the impact of Elons Twitter purchase. Very impressive.
I really did. The fact that you're yet again ignoring it doesn't make it any less true.You really didn't, but tell yourself whatever you like.
It’s really funny that you yourself have just claimed something with absolutely no evidence provided and unwittingly disproved your own point. If you believe this to be the case, provide evidence.That's a perfect example of the problem. You believe that with absolutely no evidence, perspective, objectivity or sense of scale.
For example, despite conservatives being a significant minority in this country, the top performing posts on Facebook are almost always conservative. How is that Big Tech conspiring against conservatives?
Neither can you. I’ll be waiting for all your metrics that prove conservatives are spreading misinformation.And yet you can't provide any metrics to justify that. I think it says a whole lot that every time misinformation is moderated, conservatives feel like they are being discriminated against. Perhaps because they post a disproportionate amount of the misinformation.
Perhaps you could have kept reading the thread. I provided evidence of my claims when requested.It’s really funny that you yourself have just claimed something with absolutely no evidence provided and unwittingly disproved your own point. If you believe this to be the case, provide evidence.
Sure. But they weren't banned because they were conservative. And none of them were silenced.What we do know is that conservative publications (NY Post, Babylon Bee), influencers (Lindell, Posobiec, etc.), and politicians (Trump, Greene) have all been banned or locked out of their accounts or otherwise silenced. This is undeniable.
I didn't claim that. You're just searching for a gotcha by arguing a strawman.Neither can you. I’ll be waiting for all your metrics that prove conservatives are spreading misinformation.
What you are actually saying is that “Misinformation = not mine (yours) but someone else’s opinion which = right to censor.” And that is tantamount to Leftist fascism. 😉
Nice deflection. Post it in the response if you have it or quote it. Otherwise, it doesn’t exist.Perhaps you could have kept reading the thread. I provided evidence of my claims when requested.
LOL. Laughable. Of course they were. Are you saying the NY Post Hunter Biden article got them suspended because it was too liberal? Are you saying Trump was suspended when plenty of Democrats have called people to rise up (not that Trump ever said this, I’m just making a point). You’re hilariously in denial here.Sure. But they weren't banned because they were conservative. And none of them were silenced.
You claimed conservatives had been banned for posting “disinformation,” by which you meant “stuff you disagree with,” which is in itself a straw man argument to discredit any conservative opinion.I didn't claim that. You're just searching for a gotcha by arguing a strawman.
It was two posts below the post you quoted.Nice deflection. Post it in the response if you have it or quote it. Otherwise, it doesn’t exist.
No. Twitter admitted it was a mistake.LOL. Laughable. Of course they were. Are you saying the NY Post Hunter Biden article got them suspended because it was too liberal?
45 was suspended because he repeatedly broke Twitter rules. Feel free to look up their explanation.Are you saying Trump was suspended when plenty of Democrats have called people to rise up (not that Trump ever said this, I’m just making a point). You’re hilariously in denial here.
No, I claimed that when Twitter moderates misinformation a lot of conservative complain they are being discriminated against. Is that not obvious?You claimed conservatives had been banned for posting “disinformation,” by which you meant “stuff you disagree with,” which is in itself a straw man argument to discredit any conservative opinion.
Your link goes to more posts that contain absolutely no evidence of conservative dominance on Twitter. Again, post it here or we’ll assume you’re just deflecting because you don’t have any.
Oh, so it’s okay if they ban a crucial news story during one of the most consequential elections in history as long as they admit it was a mistake. I see your POV. 🤡No. Twitter admitted it was a mistake.
Oh, I did. And you know what? It’s even weaker than I thought it would be.45 was suspended because he repeatedly broke Twitter rules. Feel free to look up their explanation.
I don’t think you’re getting it. It’s only “misinformation” in your eyes and in some Twitter employees’ eyes. To everyone else, it’s just another opinion and protected free speech.No, I claimed that when Twitter moderates misinformation a lot of conservative complain they are being discriminated against. Is that not obvious?
Similarly, when Twitter made a push to eliminate bots, conservatives claimed that they were losing followers.
You forgot the ruminating about assassinating Supreme Court justices.Your link goes to more posts that contain absolutely no evidence of conservative dominance on Twitter. Again, post it here or we’ll assume you’re just deflecting because you don’t have any.
I’ve posted evidence of conservative bans/silencing.
Oh, so it’s okay if they ban a crucial news story during one of the most consequential elections in history as long as they admit it was a mistake. I see your POV. 🤡
(But seriously, no, I don’t buy it— this was obviously a very considered and biased policy move by Twitter and corporate media outlets during a major election. Claiming it was a mistake is a sly legal move.)
Oh, I did. And you know what? It’s even weaker than I thought it would be.
Here’s what 45 was banned for—
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What Twitter rules are broken here exactly? Their assumption is all based on context. It’s very flimsy.
Meanwhile, here are Leftist accounts that have called for violence/insurrection in the past two days and are still up—
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Kind of funny how that works, huh?
I don’t think you’re getting it. It’s only “misinformation” in your eyes and in some Twitter employees’ eyes. To everyone else, it’s just another opinion and protected free speech.
Actually, in the past week, Obama has LOST followers and Republican representatives have GAINED them, likely Twitter trying to bury evidence of bias before the sale.
Again, you’ve provided no evidence of your claims (quite the opposite), no understanding of free speech vs. misinformation, and until you do, it will be difficult to take your opinion seriously.
That said, I’ll do my best to keep responding if you’d like to continue.
I like debate— and free speech. 😉
Since I never claimed conservative dominance on Twitter, I don't need to provide evidence.Your link goes to more posts that contain absolutely no evidence of conservative dominance on Twitter. Again, post it here or we’ll assume you’re just deflecting because you don’t have any.
We are all aware that conservatives have been banned and conservative posts have been moderated. What we disagree on is whether they were moderated because they were conservative or because they broke the rules.I’ve posted evidence of conservative bans/silencing.
No, it wasn't okay. But again, I disagree that that it was a crucial story.Oh, so it’s okay if they ban a crucial news story during one of the most consequential elections in history as long as they admit it was a mistake. I see your POV. 🤡
I certainly get that you want force private companies to promote misinformation put out by your favored political party. And, again, "protected free speech" doesn't apply to communications on private platforms.I don’t think you’re getting it. It’s only “misinformation” in your eyes and in some Twitter employees’ eyes. To everyone else, it’s just another opinion and protected free speech.
Correlation is not causation.Actually, in the past week, Obama has LOST followers and Republican representatives have GAINED them, likely Twitter trying to bury evidence of bias before the sale.
I did provide evidence of my claim. You simply made up something and then claimed that I didn't provide evidence of the thing you made up.Again, you’ve provided no evidence of your claims (quite the opposite), no understanding of free speech vs. misinformation, and until you do, it will be difficult to take your opinion seriously.
and guess what. Privacy is not required either, but it’s a value proposition that pulls people to buying apple products.I certainly get that you want force private companies to promote misinformation put out by your favored political party. And, again, "protected free speech" doesn't apply to communications on private platforms.
I don't believe there is any positive social value in promoting misinformation.and guess what. Privacy is not required either, but it’s a value proposition that pulls people to buying apple products.
Just as free speech is a value proposition. Sure, it doesn’t apply to private companies, but they are free to model their platform from that.
It’s clear this is a valuable proposition, as it’s making Twitter and Truth social the top two sought after apps right now.
People against a company modeling their business like this, are like the people who were against apple for privacy.
“ You shouldn’t need privacy if you don’t have anything to hide “
I don't believe there is any positive social value in promoting misinformation.
Trusted experts such as doctors or journalists. Do you believe that large, influential communication platforms should promote misinformation and propaganda?Who or what defines misinformation?
Sure. The current system doesn't work, so trying something different could be beneficial. I just don't believe that opening the system up to more misinformation and propaganda has any likely social benefit.Personally I am all for letting Elon try and see what happens.
1. Trusted experts such as doctors or journalists. Do you believe that large, influential communication platforms should promote misinformation and propaganda?
2. Sure. The current system doesn't work, so trying something different could be beneficial. I just don't believe that opening the system up to more misinformation and propaganda has any likely social benefit.