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ericgtr12

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Even Twitter is confused.

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Fat_Guy

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That's the problem right there. It will be his global town hall.
As bizzare as this sounds, the fact he is opposed to moderation is a plus here. But this is new stuff. You watch, it won’t be Musk people will bitch about but all those “pesky” third world folk who now have a say - always that! 🤣



Fun times ahead…
 
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ericgtr12

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As bizzare as this sounds, the fact he is opposed to moderation is a plus here. But this is new stuff. You watch, it won’t be Musk people will bitch about but all those “pesky” third world folk who now have a say - always that! 🤣



Fun times ahead…
He has that right, but what we've seen is most who aren't hard right wing Conservatives are leaving, making it an echo chamber that advertisers won't touch. Just as they have a right to free speech, the free market is also speaking.
 

Fat_Guy

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He has that right, but what we've seen is most who aren't hard right wing Conservatives are leaving, making it an echo chamber that advertisers won't touch. Just as they have a right to free speech, the free market is also speaking.
He can run the thing as a loss for altruistic reasons as his other companies are so successful. Ultimately X will need a global social contract voted upon by all to make it a true global town hall. I know for a fact some lobbied for this many months before he finalized the purchase of Twitter.
 

Michael Scrip

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Is Twitter really the "global town square" with only 400 million users? And only 200 million who actually use it regularly?

There are over 5 billion people on the internet worldwide.

🤔
 

Fat_Guy

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Is Twitter really the "global town square" with only 400 million users? And only 200 million who actually use it regularly?

There are over 5 billion people on the internet worldwide.

🤔
With Starlink it will be available to all.


This is the best chance aside from a third house at the UN (The People’s Assembly). A total global vote by all on earth is just .8 of one percent of current traffic if all voted the same day.
 

BaldiMac

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The internet itself is the only actual "global town square". X is a proprietary service that promotes the content that its owners want to promote. "Free speech" and "town square" and "altruistic reasons" are just marketing spin to make this fact more palatable to more people.
 

laptech

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People are constantly going on about 'free speech'. What those lot fail to understand is that there is no such thing as 'free speech' for the huge majority of the world and those that do supposedly have free speech it is heavily controlled. People need to understand, especially those who live in the USA, in other countries in the world, you cannot just go around saying or writing whatever you want. In twitter there were people and groups promoting terrorism, promoting death to certain people, promoting hate speech, creating misinformation, untruths and lies, all under the banner of 'free speech' and twitter was doing nothing about it until countries governments stepped in telling twitter to moderate the platform or be banned from use in their country.

It is about time people realized free speech is not absolute because it get's abused a lot and therefore must be controlled (within reason)
 

Fat_Guy

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People are constantly going on about 'free speech'. What those lot fail to understand is that there is no such thing as 'free speech' for the huge majority of the world and those that do supposedly have free speech it is heavily controlled. People need to understand, especially those who live in the USA, in other countries in the world, you cannot just go around saying or writing whatever you want. In twitter there were people and groups promoting terrorism, promoting death to certain people, promoting hate speech, creating misinformation, untruths and lies, all under the banner of 'free speech' and twitter was doing nothing about it until countries governments stepped in telling twitter to moderate the platform or be banned from use in their country.

It is about time people realized free speech is not absolute because it get's abused a lot and therefore must be controlled (within reason)
Article 35 of China’s Constitution states that “ [c]itizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.”
 
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laptech

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Article 35 of China’s Constitution states that “ [c]itizens of the People’s Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.”
and your point in posting that is what?
 

Fat_Guy

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and your point in posting that is what?
Russia Constitution:


FIRST SECTION​

CHAPTER 1. THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM​

Article 1​

1. The Russian Federation - Russia is a democratic federative law-governed state with a republican form of government.

2. The names Russian Federation and Russia are equipollent.



Article 2​

Man, his rights and freedoms shall be the supreme value. The recognition, observance and protection of human and civil rights and freedoms shall be an obligation of the State.



 

Fat_Guy

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and your point in posting that is what?
Some more from the Russia Constitution:


Article 29​

1. Everyone shall be guaranteed the freedom of ideas and speech.

2. Propaganda or agitation instigating social, racial, national or religious hatred and strife shall not be allowed. The propaganda of social, racial, national, religious or linguistic supremacy shall be banned.

3. No one may be forced to express his views and convictions or to reject them.

4. Everyone shall have the right to freely look for, receive, transmit, produce and distribute information by any legal means. The list of data comprising state secrets shall be determined by a federal law.

5. The freedom of mass communication shall be guaranteed. Censorship shall be banned.
 

Apple Fan 2008

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Ok, "Anti-vaxxer" what about RFK Jr? "Denies climate change" Dude, the guy literally owns the biggest electric car and solar power company. And to quote his Tweet (or "X" now idk?) he said "Important to note that what happens on Earth’s surface (eg farming) has no meaningful impact on climate change. Overwhelmingly, the risk of climate change is due to moving billions of tons of carbon from deep underground into the atmosphere. Over time, if we keep doing this, the chemical makeup of our atmosphere will change enough to induce meaningful climate change." He didn't deny climate change, he just said that farming doesn't have a huge effect on the climate. "Transphobic" Elon has said that he will respect and use people's perfered pronouns. His main position is that minors shouldn't receive sex change surgeries. "Anti-union" Amazon did anti-union things, does that make Jeff Bezos a conservative? "only vote Republican" the reason he said that he would vote Republican is because he believes that the Democratic party has gone too far left.
 

ceriess

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And yes, as most of you just think about Twitter, Musk has the potential to take a huge share of the global telecom market to Starlink while adding purchase and banking and all sorts of usage along with it and without you ever to need to log in or enter your passcode.

Not likely.

Interesting times ahead for sure.
 

redbeard331

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He's far from a neo-Nazi. He's not even a Conservative. He's just not a radical leftist and that apperantly makes him a neo-Nazi.

You are the company you keep.

Elon has been outing himself as he uses the same language as white supremacists, along with boosting their tweets to the top of every trending topic they participate in.

He even recently went on tv to defend white supremacy which he felt was unfairly targeted after the latest mass shooting in Texas.

This is nothing new in American history, there has been a lot of people both very rich and poor who supported or harbor that ideology. It’s far too dangerous to not speak out against it, especially these days when billionaires have so much power. And this guy has a bunch of satellites encircling the Earth, I don’t trust him or his motives when his language shows us we cannot.

 

redbeard331

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Ok, "Anti-vaxxer" what about RFK Jr? "Denies climate change" Dude, the guy literally owns the biggest electric car and solar power company. And to quote his Tweet (or "X" now idk?) he said "Important to note that what happens on Earth’s surface (eg farming) has no meaningful impact on climate change.



Proving what a complete ignoramus Musk is once again. Clearly he has ZERO knowledge of climate science and his ownership of Tesla has nothing to do with him wanting to “save the planet”. Farming, especially our modern way of doing it is a huge contributor, and so are his rocket launches, I wonder if they wipe out all the gains made by electric cars?




Overwhelmingly, the risk of climate change is due to moving billions of tons of carbon from deep underground into the atmosphere. Over time, if we keep doing this, the chemical makeup of our atmosphere will change enough to induce meaningful climate change." He didn't deny climate change, he just said that farming doesn't have a huge effect on the climate.

It’s already changed decades ago, and because he says something doesn’t make it a fact.


"Transphobic" Elon has said that he will respect and use people's perfered pronouns. His main position is that minors shouldn't receive sex change surgeries. "Anti-union" Amazon did anti-union things, does that make Jeff Bezos a conservative? "only vote Republican" the reason he said that he would vote Republican is because he believes that the Democratic party has gone too far left.


Whatever “he believes” is a good reason to acknowledge the opposite must be true. Anyone that says something like “the Democratic Party has gone too far left” should be laughed at and never taken seriously again.
 

BaldiMac

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Can you explain why?
Sure. The Democratic Party is to the right of most western democracies. It's hardly radical, even on it's progressive wing.

But actually look at the major legislation that Democrats have passed under Biden. Infrastructure Act. Chips Act. Inflation Reduction Act. It's all moderate stuff. The party's top policy priorities have 60-70% support across the country.

Does the same apply to people saying that the Republican party has gone too far right?
No. Both-sides-ism is silly. The Republican party is controlled by it's radical wing. It has given up on conservative ideals in favor of nationalism, authoritarianism, and religious evangelicalism. It's policy positions have minority support. It maintains it's power by manipulating the system through anti-democratic processes, particularly gerrymandering.

And it is completely enthralled by a conman.

I'm a conservative. I voted for Republicans my whole life until the Bush administration betrayed this country by going into a war with Iraq under false pretenses. The Republican party has gone downhill ever since.
 
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