That's true. Apple could put their entire App Store inside the Epic App Store, continue to charge 30%, and not pay Epic anything since they'd use their own payment processing. You get all the hosting for free.
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Epic Games to Charge 12% Fee for App Sales From Alternative iPhone Store
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That's true. Apple could put their entire App Store inside the Epic App Store, continue to charge 30%, and not pay Epic anything since they'd use their own payment processing. You get all the hosting for free.
As I explained to you before, that's already allowed on the Epic Game store.
Epic would distribute the Apple App Store app for free, but Apple would provide the hosting for games within their App Store App, just like Epic wants to provide their own hosting.
Let's see how long that lasts, Epic took a lower 12% cut for no other reason than to try and undercut the rest of the market in the hope that they'd be able to convert it into paying customers, unfortunately for them they still have to practically beg people to use their platform by giving out games free of charge.
The funniest part to me is that they've been running the Epic Games Store since 2018 and are still posting massive losses year on year, it's not particularly sustainable at all despite their anti-consumer exclusivity approach to try and force people to use their store.
The funniest part to me is that they've been running the Epic Games Store since 2018 and are still posting massive losses year on year, it's not particularly sustainable at all despite their anti-consumer exclusivity approach to try and force people to use their store.
This is exactly my point. I just deleted my Ubisoft account because I had exactly one free with video card purchase copy of rainbow six something or other I never played. I could see where there had been attempts to log in to the account by "hackers." They wouldn't let me turn on OTP two factor without first giving them my phone number. So I just deleted it.
I have just about all those accounts you listed as well and I don't want to keep up with all that, and I'm far better at keeping up with accounts than the average person.
And that's just games. I don't want all software to be this way.
Everyone seems to want everything for free these days.
Don't like the 30% cut, nobody is forcing you to take the deal. Apple is providing a store, exposure, a consumer base that is generally willing to pay for things over other consumer bases (android), payment processing, a platform for you to develop on and hosting. I modeled this and 30% is a fair deal compared to setting all this up on your own and getting the exposure, advertising and sales volume needed to succeed.
Typical small business credit card pricing is 3.5% + 30 cents per transaction for online (manually keyed) transactions. Sell a 99 cent app, they're taking more than 30% and you still have to host your app, market it, deal with chargebacks/refunds and other customer service.
"Don't like the 30% cut, nobody is forcing you to take the deal." They do force you because there is no other deal available (not until now).
And they also didn’t develop the operating system or API‘s, so deserve less
That’s fine but there should be more stores, and Apple shouldn’t be able to set the business terms for the others.
You seem to have missed the part where I pointed out that even a gamer just stuck to Steam, they would still have access to a wider selection of good games than any single console store.
And Steam works across OSes. I primarily game on a Windows PC, but also occasionally on a MacBook Pro. Only a fraction of the games have MacOS versions, but for those that do, I can play them on the go and sync my process on the cloud. That is one less store and one less purchase that I need to make.
I understand not wanting to deal with multiple stores, but I currently do that because of value, not because of exclusivity.
Edit: also, even a consumer using the iOS app store may still has to deal with external accounts, like Netflix and Spotify.
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Did your feelings get hurt too? Please tell us where Apple hurt you. Was it 1 or 2?
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I’d like to buy my Audi from a BMW dealer please.
This comparison makes no sense because there’s no platform. A smartphone app isn’t in any way comparable to a car brand. Just say that you own Apple stock and want them to retain their high-margin on-platform app distribution monopoly and we can move on with our lives.
Consider an App that is rejected by Apple for frivolous reasons. It can now go to Epic store, pay 12% and make money. Apple would now have to negotiate with that app to make it come back to the AppStore. Roles reversed.
Also, Apple has no business taking a cut from in-app purchases.
Nope. That is a very popular straw man representation of what Epic wants, though.
Sure but Apple generally won’t negotiate to get the app back… Apple’s App Store commissions is 15% but the size and reach of the App Store will be much much larger than Epic’s store charging 12% plus 0.50 euro CTF fee. Most developers will gladly take <3% haircut if they can get a lot more sales.
Google’s App Store always allowed other app stores to exist… the volume of sales from independent app stores is very tiny compared Google Play, even if their commissions are slightly lower. Major developers will sooner just -abide by the rules- and go for the larger market… Google doesn’t need to fight the smaller app stores to get apps to move to Google Play.
From a general consumer perspective it probably won’t make much a diff since you won’t see significant price changes… just more money will go to company A over company B.
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People thought Epic games was fighting for consumers
this was all about Epic games revenue.
Epic stranded kids playing Fortnite on Apple products at the start of the pandemic just so they could violate their contract and make a video making fun of Apple.
They could have just sued Apple and let it play out in the courts, but why do that when you can screw some of your customers?
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"Generally" is the operative word. Until now, the app developers had no choice. Put up with Apple or get out of iOS system completely. With alt appstores, this changes. Imagine Facebook, instagra, and WhatsApp leaving Appstore. Even without Alt appstores, Apple had to negotiate with Netflix, Uber, Amazon and other Apps.
Google has a different problem due to which they are also under Antitrust investigations. Things will change for Android also once those are completed.