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d686546s

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when a user owns a phone they can install whatever they like.
a company cant stop them.

but their actions can, and did, affect the company IT system.

If that is such a risk vector for you than hand out company phones and manage them. My workplace does.

We have both iOS and Android devices deployed and users cannot install anything on either. Neither App Store nor Play Store are accessible and any potential side loading is disabled as well.

It appear to me you could have prevented the user from using a device you cannot manage and could have taken steps to prevent users from accessing the secure WiFi, but didn't choose the first to save money and didn't do the second probably for the same reasons, and yet we somehow need to prevent people from installing stuff on their own private devices because of that.
 

electronicsguy

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Oct 12, 2015
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hahaha.

the company saved heaps by not providing phones to workers. heaps. so welcome to the real world ...

our system already had secure and guest.
the issue was the user was granted access to the secure wifi when they shouldnt have been told the password by their manager. you cant get around user stupidity.
Ok. So the cheapass company will now learn a lesson the hard way. Welcome To the old world. Time to move away from Algol, COBOL & Fortran.
 

wbeasley

macrumors 65816
Nov 23, 2007
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Ok. So the cheapass company will now learn a lesson the hard way. Welcome To the old world. Time to move away from Algol, COBOL & Fortran.
not many phones running Algol, COBOL or Fortran... but thanks for playing.

this was a medium sized company with a small IT department.
not some tiny business. couple hundred health care workers. Non profit.

But I wouldnt want a few facts to taint your view of the world...
 

wbeasley

macrumors 65816
Nov 23, 2007
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If that is such a risk vector for you than hand out company phones and manage them. My workplace does.

We have both iOS and Android devices deployed and users cannot install anything on either. Neither App Store nor Play Store are accessible and any potential side loading is disabled as well.

It appear to me you could have prevented the user from using a device you cannot manage and could have taken steps to prevent users from accessing the secure WiFi, but didn't choose the first to save money and didn't do the second probably for the same reasons, and yet we somehow need to prevent people from installing stuff on their own private devices because of that.
it wasnt my company. it was a non profit.

they allowed a work app on personal phones because the 400 Samsung 4G tablets didnt work out and cost a fortune in monthly SIM fees.

you people seem to think businesses can just spend unlimited funds.
Welcome to the real world of IT for small and medium business.

The point is user behaviour can install bad Android apps easily.
Bad user behaviour can allow access to secure wifi networks.

If you have done any work on risk assessment, you would know to check all points of failure.

I worked in a large mainframe run government department.
They were audited for security.
Didnt want to know that it was easy to spit the test environment computer's data onto a USB and walk out the door.
There were concerned about leaks department to department.

How many businesses have seen client database emailed offsite?

The real world is nothing like the theoretical.
 

electronicsguy

macrumors 6502a
Oct 12, 2015
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Pune, India
not many phones running Algol, COBOL or Fortran... but thanks for playing.

this was a medium sized company with a small IT department.
not some tiny business. couple hundred health care workers. Non profit.

But I wouldnt want a few facts to taint your view of the world...
You obviously don’t understand metaphors. It’s ok. Don’t sweat it.
 
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