It is not a win win for consumers when an app that is essential for you forces you to download their app from a third party app store. You are assuming that apps like facebook, etc would offer an app both in the App Store and some their own third party facebook store, yeah right. They will make you download it from their store and skirt all the Apple privacy rules. That is just one example. same thing with bank apps that don't want to pay apple fees for Apple Pay. They will FORCE you to download their apps from a third party app store.
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EU Planning to Force Apple to Give Developers Access to All Hardware and Software Features
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Just letting Apple actually realise they are not the god and above the law, I think it is a major achievement EU has accomplished. Whatever measure they do is still up to debate, but I’m glad they are finally fed up with Apple’s oppressive and inconsistent behaviour and overwhelmingly dominant market influence and decent marketshare. Yes, you can’t be too successful. The bigger you are the stronger force will emerge to drag you down.
The disagree means there’s even more reason to force change on Apple. Good thing.
The disagree means there’s even more reason to force change on Apple. Good thing.
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Does the EU want Apple to be able to provide security/privacy? Look at the Netherlands fiasco where the Dutch constantly moved the goalposts...first Apple was required to provide alternate payment methods, then they were told multiple binaries was wrong too, then when they supplied a single app version it was still wrong somehow.
Multiply that scenario by 100s of different aspects of the OS and you'll have what the EU plans to do. They're going to object to everything Apple does. Apple will say "this is how it works on macOS" and the EU will say "that's not how we want it to work" etc. Guaranteed.
... a broad consensus from European lawmakers to aggressively regulate big American tech companies.
It wasn’t. Until last year when Google massively ramped up its privacy and security features on the Play Store.
No one, not one single person on this planet has ever been forced to buy an expensive iPhone. People can choose to purchase an Android device if they want things that Apple does not allow or offer. That is users choice, not forcing Apple to become a clone of Android.
Apples argument was that it should still take 30% of external payments. This was the cause for many of the arguments.
No, that isn't what the Dutch were objecting to. First they wanted alternate payment options. Then they suddenly claimed multiple binaries was also somehow anticompetitive. Then they have subsequently objected to a single app.
That's what the EU is going to be doing ad nauseam as well, but it's going to be for many, many, many other aspects of the OS. They're going to object to everything.
But they aren’t American; they are worldwide. The fact they happen to be based in America is largely semantics at this point. Apple don’t 100% build their devices in America not operate their supply chain 100% in the USA. They have global contracts in loads of different nations.
Perhaps it's better than it used to be, but as long as sideloading or alternative app stores are options, developers will be able to take their apps to less secure venues where they aren't required to adhere to privacy and security requirements.
Apple leverages their App Store controls to force developers to adhere to their privacy requirements, which are still far and away better than Google's. The theoretical argument doesn't even need to be made. The Play store is the perfect real-world example of why forcing Apple to allow alternative app stores and/or sideloading will be just as detrimental as everyone expects.
This is what gets me. Apple should just keep doing what they're doing, and ignore the fines and these made-up "rules" they want to pass.
What's the EU going to do? Send a goon squad to the US to seize assets? They have no jurisdiction over American companies or property.
Apple limits each app to request up to 12GB which is the majority of the 16GB of RAM total. I’m guessing the other 4GB is for an operational buffer.
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They should simply impose Martial Law, invoke the Insurrection Act, and find alternate electors.
That’s what this comment made me think of.
The first part is true. Most of the apps that are only available via sideloading are either alternate stores like Amazon or Epic or hobbyist apps that do something that breaks Google’s terms.
But there are still billions of Android users that 100% use the play store and suffer no I’ll effects. 95% of Android users still don’t use 3rd party app stores despite ones like Samsung being preloaded onto their phones!
And let’s be fair as users of the forum of a tech blog we are all far to literate to fall for any sideloading shananigans anyway.
I can't imagine why. Nothing about what I suggested above is illegal.
There's nothing wrong with Apple using the tools available to them to inform their customers why they are doing something that the company would not choose to do, that they know their customers will be inconvenienced by.
- We have OBD. (Fact).
- Allows Joe Public to do a huge amount of, (whilst not all), diagnostics with a relatively cheap scanner. (Fact).
- Schematics aren't that hard to get hold of. (so your mileage may vary but it's far easier to get both electrical and mechanical schematics of cars than Apple gear).
- Vehicles use a lot of readily available consumables too. (Fact).
- They also sell special tools to garages and individuals alike. (Fact)
- Plenty of reputable businesses that will flash your ECU. (Fact).
- Not sure your comparison is as valid as you think. (I suppose this might be the line that earned the downvote??)
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The relevance is that the RAM limit was an architectural, technical limitation. Asking lawmakers to "regulate away" a technical limitation, as the poster I replied to was doing, is a futile ill-informed effort.
This is great for the consumer. Interoperability of messaging ( other than SMS, and 3rd party apps ) between smartphone platforms would be a great step forward.
There are probably a lot of devoted Apple fans who would probably move to an Apple island.
When other countries start to demand Apple the same as the EU.. will Apple pull out of those markets too? No. Apple may complain, but ultimately, Apple will comply with local laws.
Apple aren't going to remove themselves from a market consisting of a population exceeding 300 million.
When developers have the ability to avoid the App Store they will avoid the App Store (keep the 30% and skip all those rules), users won’t have any expectation of security privacy.
Once a Wild West app market develops, these devices will become useless due to security concerns.
Maybe the EU can do something useful for security first by forcing websites and developers to implement a common email+password+totp login standard.
Already the EU tracking cookie questionnaires on every site (instead of a forced opt-out switch) make surfing tedious, now the EU is poised to make interactions unsafe.
Good job EU. (Normally your legislation does a good job but in this area you kinda suck.)
Once a Wild West app market develops, these devices will become useless due to security concerns.
Maybe the EU can do something useful for security first by forcing websites and developers to implement a common email+password+totp login standard.
Already the EU tracking cookie questionnaires on every site (instead of a forced opt-out switch) make surfing tedious, now the EU is poised to make interactions unsafe.
Good job EU. (Normally your legislation does a good job but in this area you kinda suck.)
I have gotten malware on my windows system as recent as a few months ago - Video Copilot plugins were infected. Legit site and legit purchase and have used their stuff for years. It was unfortunate I had to reinstall their plugins after a Windows install leading to malware.
So I really don’t think people should look at desktop operating systems with a “this is fine” attitude. Phones will get targeted more for better metadata and location tracking.
I said it before, I’ll say it again. I think macos is not as secure as people here believe, and if you truly believe it’s very secure you are buying into marketing. Apple said so themselves in court. Windows is far more secure by being attacked more which means it got fixed more.
Android would move in and people would buy it without batting their eyelids. And remember, once they go to Android, they will not come back to iOS, especially if Apple pulls out showing their middle finger to their countries' laws.