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EU Proposes to Force Apple to Switch iPhone, iPad, and AirPods From Lightning to USB-C
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I think apples move to USB has been right on target. Almost all of their devices are usb c now, so more people have them. The move to usb c on iPhone will still be hard for many but will be much easier and I think you’ll see it next year.
So when the USB consortium come up with an even better standard/port, this EU law will stop it being implemented on mobile devices
the EU tried to standardise on micro-usb before
if they’d have succeeded this conver around USB-C would have been moot
we’d all have the crap micro-usb on out devices
the EU tried to standardise on micro-usb before
if they’d have succeeded this conver around USB-C would have been moot
we’d all have the crap micro-usb on out devices
How frequent they are going to revise this law? What about forms for charging, usb-d, etc?
We're not talking about wall outlets though are we? We're talking about a connection that is proprietary and keeping it around is making less and less sense as the years go by. Especially considering even Apple's own devices have moved over to USB-C for the most part except from their flagship.
Don't forget that although it's main use is charging, the port is also used for file transfers i.e. Syncing files to a computer. We might not do that much anymore, but there are people out there who will, especially video editors (one of the target demographics the iPhone Pro line is aimed at). Making an iPhone capable of shooting 4k ProRes is great but when you've got a port that stifles transfer speeds such as Lightning it does make you think.
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Well, they can't force them, but they can prevent them trading in the EU if they choose not to comply. Apple has previously complied with EU requirements to stay in the market, why wouldn't it this time?
Even crazier to think that my fridge uses the same power cable as a fridge from 1950! It's not missing any functionality though. /s
No it's not a superior user experience. It's charging. No need to pretend it's anything more than what it is. Neither requires specific orientation to be used so the experience is virtually the same.
I wish Apple would move to USB-c, but I'm not for a government agency dictating product design. Sure set some standards such as reduce e-waste, reduce product weight, etc. However, let the manufacturer figure the solution to meet the requirements.
At a minimum, Apple could include a dongle. This would satisfy the EU hopefully and all the iPhone users who currently have lighting accessories. Apple could then slowly move to USB-C in a few years.
At a minimum, Apple could include a dongle. This would satisfy the EU hopefully and all the iPhone users who currently have lighting accessories. Apple could then slowly move to USB-C in a few years.
I agree and using a single USB-C port for an iPhone, iPad and MacBook would be great. Apple will have to comply if this becomes a reality as the EU is too lucrative of a market for them to lose. However, knowing Apple, they might just include another small USB-C dongle with their iPhones sold in the EU and consider it done.
A funny by-fact showing you that Apple do care about Europe: in France phone manufacturers are required by law to sell phones with earphones/earpieces, so iPhones sold in France still include them, whereas iPhones sold in neighbouring Switzerland do not.
A funny by-fact showing you that Apple do care about Europe: in France phone manufacturers are required by law to sell phones with earphones/earpieces, so iPhones sold in France still include them, whereas iPhones sold in neighbouring Switzerland do not.
I’m against meddling EU over-legislation but it really is time Apple did this. In 2016 they were extolling the virtues of USB-C and building computers with no other port types. Five years later they still refuse to add it to iPhone. At this
point in time iPhone has become the black sheep and unnecessarily complicates charging and data connection duties in or out of the home. Sort it out you muppets.
point in time iPhone has become the black sheep and unnecessarily complicates charging and data connection duties in or out of the home. Sort it out you muppets.
Uh?
What do you think it is best? Allow a corporate to continue polluting the environment with more cables and adapters that work ONLY with their products or require such corporate (and any other) to use a standard that works for everything and can do absolutely everything that those custom cables and adapters?
You should actually thank the EU for this. Yet another directive that will improve the lives of EU citizens, the economy (the money spent on absurd cables and adapters can be better used to consume other more useful products) and the recycling and processing of waste in the EU.
And for free, the rest of the planet will probably get the same because this is one of those directives that will likely apply globally in practice, just like GDPR.
I think you are getting it wrong.
The EU is legislating for the EU consumers, to protect them and to care for them.
If there was no legislation, we would be ruled by corporate and stock market because the goals of companies is to make as much money as possible with the lowest possible cost. Legislation is there to put limits that the citizens have demanded.
There seems to be an expectation in the legislation that consumers are going to use a single charging brick and cable to charge ALL of their devices. The reality, for me at least, is very different. I’ll need a charging brick and cable for my iPhone, a separate charging brick and cable for my Apple watch, another charging brick and cable for my iPad and another charging brick and cable for my MBP.
What exactly have we saved in this scenario?
What exactly have we saved in this scenario?
Maybe they should first focus on getting rid of the stupid micro USB connectors first, worry about Apple later.
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!! Apple needs to get off their lazy ass, lackluster iPhone 13 release and finally put in USB-C.. hell if the iPhone 13 at least came with USB-C it would have been a major upgrade!!!
I am against this European approach of "forcing" companies into commercial practices and interfering with their businesses. Companies should be free to choose how to conduct their businesses.
it would be great if Apple just adopted USB-C for the iPhone and the iPad, and I think it will eventually go that route. But forcing Apple to do it is a bad idea as it loosens freedom and the lassez-faire.
it would be great if Apple just adopted USB-C for the iPhone and the iPad, and I think it will eventually go that route. But forcing Apple to do it is a bad idea as it loosens freedom and the lassez-faire.
It would be a good thing for Apple to switch to USB-C. But… I hope this doesn’t become another SCART, which was a French standard still present on every TV and DVD player etc. long after it was superseded by HDMI.
My question is: if Apple wants to drop the port entirely and switch to MagSafe charging (similar to the Apple Watch), would that still be possible? Or would it have to have this USB-C port?
My question is: if Apple wants to drop the port entirely and switch to MagSafe charging (similar to the Apple Watch), would that still be possible? Or would it have to have this USB-C port?
Apple’s already gradually moving to USB-C. The EU needs to take a bloody quaalude.
This is exactly the type of **** the EU is hated for by many (not by most, I know).
I actually think USB-C >>> Lightning and hate Apple doesn't bother unifying their charging cable standards. But this is Apple's ****up to sort out. It does not belong to the EU. What's next? They require black phones instead of 'space' grey?
Pathetic
I actually think USB-C >>> Lightning and hate Apple doesn't bother unifying their charging cable standards. But this is Apple's ****up to sort out. It does not belong to the EU. What's next? They require black phones instead of 'space' grey?
Pathetic
This is great news! And while I understand the concerns, let's break down some of them:
• Why is the EU forcing companies to do it? It's not like companies haven't had time to adapt! They could've worked together like they said they would in 2009 and come up with a one size-fits-all port. They didn't and now they cry because they will be forced to.
• It will prevent innovation… It's not like apple creates a breakthrough port every year. They are using USB-C everywhere else. Does that mean that all their iPad is less innovating than the iPhone?
• What about wireless charging? Well they can go down that path if they want.
• What if someone comes up with a better solution? Good news, laws can be updated. And I'm sure if all device makers sit in a room and come up with something better, they could go see the EU and ask to make the new one mandatory. That is, if it's not changing every year of course. So it would need to be true innovation, not an excuse to make money.
• it will create more waste. Probably yes in the short term, but surely not in the long term, it will significantly reduce waste. The more we wait to have a standard the more waste we generate.
• Why is the EU forcing companies to do it? It's not like companies haven't had time to adapt! They could've worked together like they said they would in 2009 and come up with a one size-fits-all port. They didn't and now they cry because they will be forced to.
• It will prevent innovation… It's not like apple creates a breakthrough port every year. They are using USB-C everywhere else. Does that mean that all their iPad is less innovating than the iPhone?
• What about wireless charging? Well they can go down that path if they want.
• What if someone comes up with a better solution? Good news, laws can be updated. And I'm sure if all device makers sit in a room and come up with something better, they could go see the EU and ask to make the new one mandatory. That is, if it's not changing every year of course. So it would need to be true innovation, not an excuse to make money.
• it will create more waste. Probably yes in the short term, but surely not in the long term, it will significantly reduce waste. The more we wait to have a standard the more waste we generate.
So what exactly does this mean ? We are stuck with whatever limitations usb-c has ? No one is allowed to introduce say an usb-d with improvements or do we have to wait for EU approval of each new improved connector type (why would anyone even bother tp try to innovate/improve a connector) ?
And how about these wall outlets that seem to be different even within EU ? Why not regulate them too so I don't have to carry different adapters or cables when travelling ?
While it may be a novell idea, I think it is poorly implemented.
And how about these wall outlets that seem to be different even within EU ? Why not regulate them too so I don't have to carry different adapters or cables when travelling ?
While it may be a novell idea, I think it is poorly implemented.
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No one’s saying you‘d only need one cable, just one TYPE of cable. I for one find it very convenient that I can charge my iPad, MacBook Pro, camera, and wireless keyboard using the same port. I need fewer cables, not just one.
Just what is superior? And if it does provide that, why does my iPad not have a Lightning connection?
I think you'll find the EU can change things and we'll probably just get the same device as EU members as there's little point producing different spec phone for the same region.
Or instead of state thuggery, how about this: Make a device with a port people hate? Ok, you won’t sell many and will consider changing it.