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FBI Calls End-to-End Encryption 'Deeply Concerning' as Privacy Groups Hail Apple's Advanced Data Protection as a Victory for Users
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"Privacy" is a much deeper argument than what is usually presented on internet forums such as this. There is a common theme whereby most law abiding citizens will make exactly the same statements that you have here "I have nothing to hide, so why does it matter?"
My response is usually....please post you full name, dob, address and credit card details here for all to see....if you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear. I've yet to have any takers.
Have a look at these videos for an introduction to a more nuanced understanding of why privacy matters, regardless of if you have anything to hide:
Why privacy matters
Glenn Greenwald was one of the first reporters to see -- and write about -- the Edward Snowden files, with their revelations about the United States' extensive surveillance of private citizens. In this searing talk, Greenwald makes the case for why you need to care about privacy, even if you're...
Here's how we take back the Internet
Appearing by telepresence robot, Edward Snowden speaks at TED2014 about surveillance and Internet freedom. The right to data privacy, he suggests, is not a partisan issue, but requires a fundamental rethink of the role of the internet in our lives — and the laws that protect it. "Your rights...
I’m not going to quote anyone.
But for those that think their innocence will keep them from the law, because they know their innocent - well then - they haven’t actually dealt with the law! Freely giving over your private information just gives “Officer Friendly” more evidence to build a case against you and resolve it that way. And once it gets to the prosecutor that has a 99% conviction rate to help get them into politics - well then you only have yourself to blame if you wind up in the “clink”.
You have no rights. The innocent get charged and convicted all the time. Watching crime shows on TV is not reality.
But for those that think their innocence will keep them from the law, because they know their innocent - well then - they haven’t actually dealt with the law! Freely giving over your private information just gives “Officer Friendly” more evidence to build a case against you and resolve it that way. And once it gets to the prosecutor that has a 99% conviction rate to help get them into politics - well then you only have yourself to blame if you wind up in the “clink”.
You have no rights. The innocent get charged and convicted all the time. Watching crime shows on TV is not reality.
It’s totally comparable, just not a perfect analogy. The warrant system is not one that stops my stuff from being secure from multiple groups of people/angles, while leaving data not end to end encrypted is. There isn’t a real world perfect analogy I can think of that lines up exactly.
If the fbi hates it, it must be good.
I am sure they are just itching to get some moms thoughts on the next pta meeting,
I mean we would not want the school board to be accountable to lowly parents….or even be questioned!
the fbi has lost all credibility. It is a political organization, and nothing more.
good for Apple. and the innocent people of the world, who are by far, the majority.
I am sure they are just itching to get some moms thoughts on the next pta meeting,
I mean we would not want the school board to be accountable to lowly parents….or even be questioned!
the fbi has lost all credibility. It is a political organization, and nothing more.
good for Apple. and the innocent people of the world, who are by far, the majority.
Wonder how much is theater though.
So the FBI loses access to warrant for backups that have E2EE. If not turned on they still have access. Then they still have access to the device if physically available.
Great step forward but how much of a loss is this really for the FBI?
They still have access to warrants for the data, just not they keys to decrypt. This will let them play up how hard it is to do real work to catch the incredibly small number of real criminals using the service.
I have tried Android several times over the years, but I never saw the appeal of it. Have not really kept up with them since the last time a few years back.
I just traded my iPhone 13 mini in for a 14PM just because of battery life and the ridiculously good trade-in I was offered ($800 for the crappy phone that couldn’t last half a day on a full charge? Hell yes!)
I think I am going to save up to switch to a Purism Librem 5 soon.
I use both and security wise both are very close. Good to see Apple put in the E2EE even if it just for back up.
Depending on which Android model and if (most don’t) you take the time to fine tune it you can get a solid day plus on quite a few top level models.
Never really looked at Purism - I did look at a Pixel 6 with GrapheneOS.
IMO, Purism is what Apple should be moving toward - even if Purism is not fully there yet. By that I am referring to the phone’s ability to connect to a display and peripherals and function as a desktop. Now just put that in a laptop shell with extra power and a larger display that your phone plugs into? 💥
The iPad is slowly making strides in that direction - there are even keyboard cases that make it nearly identical to a MB - but they hobble it with the OS.
I would hold off on the Librem 5. Last I heard they had sold off the Chinese units and are now selling off the last of the super expensive USA units with no new production planned - so you figure it out. I believe Purism is effectively dead in the water. Don’t give them your money. But don’t believe me - do your homework. My info is three months old.
Want a Linux phone that actually works, then buy the original Pinephone with Ubuntu Touch. Don’t buy the “Pro” version as it’s not sorted out yet. Linux phones are on life support and the Pinephone is its last chance…
I own a Pinephone and it has USB C and it sucks with the connection falling out with the slightest movement.
Thats my point. They shouldnt. That's why everyone is so eager to share whatever because "it doesn't matter".
But you said (emphasis mine):
That's simply not true. Many people would indeed do so. They're not lying.
Saying you've got nothing to hide, is much different than leaving your keys in the car unlocked or the locks to your dwelling unlocked.
I like E2E encryption because it insulates users from potential data breaches nay hacks, both now and in the future. --I don't know how anyone could reasonably argue that E2E is anything but a net gain for end-users.
I'm less inclined to worry about law enforcement lacking the necessary tools with expertise to wield them (have you seen their budgets?); however, it's basic incompetence (e.g., human error, bias, lack of training, ethical standards, etc.) coupled with minimal oversight (e.g., ethical leadership, congressional investigations, independent audits, protection for whistleblowers, etc.) that I find more alarming.
I'm less inclined to worry about law enforcement lacking the necessary tools with expertise to wield them (have you seen their budgets?); however, it's basic incompetence (e.g., human error, bias, lack of training, ethical standards, etc.) coupled with minimal oversight (e.g., ethical leadership, congressional investigations, independent audits, protection for whistleblowers, etc.) that I find more alarming.
So backup (selected data). Apple will still hold the encryption key for the remaining data in your iCloud(s).
Thanks for the link.