From a surveillance prospective, we’re already there. People just seemed to have memory holed the whole tapping of just about everything from the NSA, national security letters, etc.
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FBI Calls End-to-End Encryption 'Deeply Concerning' as Privacy Groups Hail Apple's Advanced Data Protection as a Victory for Users
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Search yes, but only within the defined scope of the warrant. I’m not a fan of legal fishing expeditions.
ROTFLAMO!!!!
Why?
I currently don’t use the iCloud for backup and even if I did why would I stop using Signal and Proton?
Apple deserves mad props for getting this done. It is just a matter of time and I'm sure iCloud E2EE will no longer be opt-in everywhere it is legal.
You’re always free to buy an Android phone… Or move to China where the government constantly comtrols people and has their nose up their citizens’ ass 24/7.
Why would we want to amend the constitution to remove such a right? That means removing the right to warrants, etc.
Absolutely. I agree completely. My understanding is that a warrant requires a judge. If the justification can satisfy a judge I’m ok with it provided, as you say, it has a defined scope.
The FBI is speaking on behalf of the NSA, CIA and the DHS.
This is normal. Implementation is complex when different jurisdictions are involved. Data is actually segregated in some countries like the EU and China.
Tesla for example, introduces new features to their Giga Shanghai factory first, then elsewhere.
Extremely happy that end to end encryption has finally arrived for iCloud backups.
ahhh yes the typical 'buy an android phone' tripe. How very unoriginal...BORING!!!!!
If a law enforcement agency has a warrant your opinion about a search has never mattered and it won't matter in the future either. But that means a judge (or whoever signs warrants in that jurisdiction) has reviewed the request and found you suspicious enough.
Automatic scanning is searching your phone randomly without a cause. Different thing and no one would defend it if it were about searching your physical possessions. Looks like some people believe the rules shouldn't apply if it's "do it on a computer".
My opinion was being expressed to the forum rather than a judge 🤓
I agree, automatic scanning is different.
Shutting down access to certain communication rich with incriminating evidence does hamper law enforcement and does negatively impact public safety. But LE will continue to evolve just as criminals and terrorist have.
I mean, they can always buy hackers to crack iOS with undisclosed backdoors and they have been doing so for years. Just continue doing so would be perfectly fine, since they always have physical access to suspects' devices.
Precisely, they will have to adapt to the times.
End to end encryption is an inevitable and predictable evolution of technology. However, the reality of its negative consequence on public safety is real and undeniable.
Truth of the matter is more dedicated criminals would E2EE everything anyways, and law enforcement practically outlawing it would only hurt society even more, since traffics can be sniffed without any difficulty.
Catching criminal is always a costly cat-and-mouse game. However, lawful citizens should not be on the price tag.
Am I correctly summarizing your position?
You agree this technology does negatively impact public safety but it is worth it for the overall public good.
it would require the repeal of the 5th, IMHNLO. That would have consequences beyond end to end encryption.
Don’t forget regular everyday business.
My second job as a consultant and everything I have for that is encrypted.
Even at a personal level all my backups are encrypted.
I don’t use iCloud for any of this but the use case is the same.
Warrants are given away like candy at a carnival. The judge doesn’t know you and couldn’t care less about your rights. Sorry to bust your bubble.