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France Orders End to iPhone 12 Sales Over Radiation Level Concerns
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Indeed, in every cell phone the actual used power (EIRP) is steered by the cell tower with limits set by the phone software. But I have to say in my experience when I was in France the last couple of years, almost all phone network operators have questionable coverage. In large cities and towns it's usually just fine, but elsewhere the coverage can be very bad. Even on the highways / tollways. Barely 3G or just nothing (as you know 2G is turned off by most operators) with almost any phone. In these areas any phone will easily transmit at the maximum power. My guess is that Apple tried to compensate the bad connection by turning up the power a bit. Or it could be a plain mistake in a table.
Within the EU most countries have mostly the same RF regulations, France being one of the strictest. Limits like 2 or 4 Watts depending on frequency and geographical area. I know that some countries in the world allow higher RF power in some areas. If I'm not mistaken, some US states allow higher transmission power in very low populated areas.
Fortunately as technology progresses, there's less power needed for a mobile connection than years ago. I worry much more about people operating microwave ovens constantly.
Actually, one could do much more damage by just sunbathing. And all those people that lived near an antenna array for television and radio stations. Those usually can pump 100kW to 10MW at an more even rate than a mobile phone. We could light those old fluorescent tubes without any wires near those arrays - of course that made the operators of those stations not very happy
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Am scientist. Peer review is a game, like everything else, and credibility of research isn’t determined by the peer review process. Peer review helps, sure, but plenty of research is credible and excellent quality before it even gets peer reviewed.
These models emit the most radiation:
- Motorola Edge – 1.79
- OnePlus 6T – 1.55
- Sony Xperia XA2 Plus – 1.41
- Google Pixel 3 XL – 1.39
- Google Pixel 4a – 1.37
- Oppo Reno5 5G – 1.37
- Google Pixel 3 – 1.33
- Huawei P Smart – 1.27
- OnePlus 9 – 1.26
Own a Galaxy Note? Congrats
And these phones emit the least radiation:- Samsung Galaxy Note10+ 5G – 0.19 watts
- Samsung Galaxy Note10 – 0.21
- Samsung Galaxy A80 – 0.22
- LG G7 ThinQ – 0.24
- Motorola Razr 5G – 0.27
What about the iPhone?
You guessed it: It falls somewhere in the middle.- iPhone SE (2020 version) – 0.98
- iPhone 11 – 0.95
- iPhone 12 – 0.98
- iPhone 13 – 0.99
- iPhone 14 – 0.98
Apple says will issue software update to iPhone12 in France
www.reuters.com
Apple moves to defuse French iPhone 12 dispute as EU scrutiny steps up
Apple pledged on Friday to update software on iPhone 12s in France to settle a dispute over radiation levels, but concerns in other European countries signalled it may have to take similar action elsewhere.
A ridiculous stance by Apple to lower the radiation levels in France ... and leave everyone else exposed to the same problem. Clearly, the solution is to reduce the radiation levels back to the original spec everywhere. This is going to balloon out of control, just like the VW Gold scandal, spreading from one jurisdiction to the next, until Apple will have to cave in, and fix the problem everywhere.
you can check your sar levels here
"sar liste-2
allez le france!
"sar liste-2
allez le france!
Smartphone Radiation Cases Phone Radiation Shields
RF Safe Anti-Radiation Cell Phone Cases
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still even with an rf-safe case, iphone is just the worst, about time that someone intervened.
Thanks - that is really interesting.
It appears that the lowest radiation emitting iPhone that Apple has made is the original iPhone SE (2016) with a SAR of 0.78 ... about 20% less radiation than most other iPhones.
Smaller really is better. I sure hope that BIG MAMMA Mother Nature lady comes in and checks the Apple iPhones for their radiation levels at their next fake Board meeting, instead of worrying about where they buy their plastic bags from.
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It appears that the lowest radiation emitting iPhone that Apple has made is the original iPhone SE (2016) with a SAR of 0.78 ... about 20% less radiation than most other iPhones.
Smaller really is better. I sure hope that BIG MAMMA Mother Nature lady comes in and checks the Apple iPhones for their radiation levels at their next fake Board meeting, instead of worrying about where they buy their plastic bags from.
They are turning down the power of the Qualcomm radio chip. Thus reducing is full packet transmit range.Apple says will issue software update to iPhone12 in France
Apple moves to defuse French iPhone 12 dispute as EU scrutiny steps up
Apple pledged on Friday to update software on iPhone 12s in France to settle a dispute over radiation levels, but concerns in other European countries signalled it may have to take similar action elsewhere.
Even more interestingly, if Apple can turn down the radiation level via software update, why not allow USERS to do the same thing from the SETTINGS tab? At the moment, the only option to reduce radiation levels is to turn on AIRPLANE mode.
Apple also has the incredibly irritating practise of turning BLUETOOTH ON and WIFI ON, even if you have switched them off, after installing OS updates (even the minor ones). That is totally disrespectful to their users, to forcefully override their users own settings.
Apple also has the incredibly irritating practise of turning BLUETOOTH ON and WIFI ON, even if you have switched them off, after installing OS updates (even the minor ones). That is totally disrespectful to their users, to forcefully override their users own settings.
Asked and answered several times in this thread already.
Those articles don't address the claim, which is that iPhone 12 was creating more than safe levels of radiationNo-one is denying France said that. We're saying they're ******* crazy for saying it
The evidence debunking the claim is overwhelming and I'll post just two of them here:
Scientific Evidence for Cell Phone Safety
The scientific evidence does not show consistent or credible evidence of health problems caused by the exposure to radio frequency energy emitted by cell phoneswww.fda.gov
Base stations and wireless technologies
Mobile telephony is now commonplace around the world. This wireless technology relies upon an extensive network of fixed antennas, or base stations, relaying information with radiofrequency (RF) signals.www.who.int
Those two pages represent the findings of two MAJOR health institutions and thousands of scientists, doctors and medical experts.
The evidence that cellular/wifi emissions are harmful boils down to a few crackpots saying so and others jumping on the bandwagon.
Let's just look at the basics:
in a 1,000W microwave oven the radio waves penetrate the food about ½"(1.4cm). (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Waves/mwoven.html)
An average cellphone at full power puts out .6W (600mw) and could, at best, penetrate the body by a few cells of the epidermis. The signal never gets to the dermis, bone or organs where people claim all the damage is happening
Unfortunately for you, French authorities don't view the forums here and its members opinions as the definite source of scientific knowledge related to the health of its citizens. Probably just as well.
even with airplane mode on, some devices still emit dangerous levels of RF-Frequency, pulsating all the while.
have seen such a behaviour even a modern Ereader; the company still says, the device is perfectly safe since within limits;
but if i turn Wi-Fi off on the device, want it effectively "silent", but on some devices it simply seems impssible to achieve it; like they want to know real-time what one is reading.
so, wonder what is possibly possible with a software-update for the IOS; not very much i suppose, but it may weaken the emitters effective output.
best thing for an iphone is to hide it away in a closet, but even then it might be listening (long after battery is gone).
No. The claim is that the iPhone 12 exceeds the EU-norm, not that it exceeds safe levels of radiation.
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Apple says will issue software update to iPhone12 in France
Apple moves to defuse French iPhone 12 dispute as EU scrutiny steps up
Apple pledged on Friday to update software on iPhone 12s in France to settle a dispute over radiation levels, but concerns in other European countries signalled it may have to take similar action elsewhere.
As I said... its all software. The software will simply get adjusted maximum levels that comply with local regulations, as it always has been with all digital phones. Apple rolls out a quick and silent update on the modem codes within couple of days.
And anyone still concerned should either not use a mobile phone at all or switch the phone to Wifi calling whenever possible. Wifi has in normal circumstances an EIRP of around 100mW (lower RF bands) to 200mW (higher RF bands). And like cellular, wifi also has a dynamic transmission power. So its power can be lower too depending on the distance between device and AP.
Indeed. There's still debate between experts of what level is safe. The modulation (2/3/4/5/6G) and frequency band all are subject in the research too.
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Apple will issue software update for iPhone 12 over radiation worries
Decision comes after other countries follow France and pull iPhone 12 from market.
I think it’s a reasonable approach, that if we don’t know the effects, more research is needed and better to be careful. I like how they do it in France. I think the opposite approach like “if there’s no proof it’s harmful we can use it without worries”. It’s only been decade of serious smartphone use and only few years serious wireless headphone use. I say until proven safe all these devices are not safe.
Here is the thing. In amatuer radio we have been using frequencies in this area for more than 60 years, and at a much, much higher RF watt levels. We have not experienced any problems. We take precautions of course but, you don't step in front of the antenna of a GHz range transmitter putting out 500 watts. But if you are really worried the Martians have the solution.