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Here's your chance to try Heroes Of The Storm.

I'll post two beta keys. PLEASE post if you grabbed the key otherwise you won't be able to use it.

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These are closed beta keys.

You need to go to battle.net/code to use it.




It's a cool game.
 

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Decided to join my Grandson on the WoW Starter Edition. I'm running through Teldressil and I still marvel at what an incredible zone this is. The best ever in a fantasy MMO. Very nostalgic, magical, and nerfed!! :p

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Dark Void

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Oh gosh, World of Warcraft. I suppose I'll make a post although I will probably feel so nostalgic about it that I will want to go and invest in a gaming system after I supposedly gave it up.

I started Warcraft in 2009 if I remember correctly. I know that it was at the end of BC when Wrath was coming about, though. I was a part of a decent size guild in a different game and after that game tanked, most of the members decided to move back to Warcraft and so I joined them. I hadn't played before then so I didn't experience Vanilla, but I did get to experience a small taste of BC. I remember leveling and the game in general just being a whole lot more difficult back then.

I liked Wrath a lot. I played a DK like almost everyone after getting my first character, a Warrior, to level 55 in order to create one. It was fun, but I eventually just stopped playing after guild drama. I came back in Cataclysm and played for a solid year and a half or more of it. I played by myself during that time as I was effectively turned off from guilds as a whole. I played off and on afterwards. I played through most of Mists of Pandaria, and even was contacted by a friend to play along with her (mistake), but that didn't last long - and up until the Warlords release. I played for a couple months of Warlords and it just felt terribly boring so I stopped playing. I simply stopped logging in and let my subscription run out. My only character was a pretty seasoned Warrior who I had race changed and faction transferred a few times. I did arenas and battlegrounds mostly towards the end. Garrisons were okay but it was quite stale. My main interest in the game was crafting which got completely ruined in my opinion in WoD.

It was a very fun game but I mostly played alone and that sucked. Guild drama is REAL in these games. It turned me off from gaming as a whole as a matter of fact.
 
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I feel nostalgic as well, but no going back. I started playing at the very beginning in 2004. Those were the times. It became an addiction. Used to be a member of one of the greatest guilds (does not exist anymore). Raided (40 player ones) 3-4 times a week. Was a Guild Master twice. Then I got fed up with raiding and went to hardcore PVP. Enjoyed for some years. Stopped playing, went back. Found nothing really new, same clichés. Spent time taming all the rare beasts, farming the old bigger instances for rare weapon drops for transmogrification. Stopped playing again. Now just remembering the old good times.
 
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I feel nostalgic as well, but no going back. I started playing at the very beginning in 2004. Those were the times. It became an obsession. Used to be a member of one of the greatest guilds (does not exist anymore). Raided (40 player ones) 3-4 times a week. Was a Guild Master twice. Then I got fed up with raiding and went to hard PVP. Enjoyed for some years. Stopped playing, went back. Found nothing really new, same clichés. Spent time taming all the rare beasts, farming the old bigger instances for rare weapon drops for transmogrification. And stopped playing again. Now just remembering the old good times.

I'm in a very similar boat. I found the most exciting things to do were to hunt for transmog and the like but with weekly and daily lockouts the game just became ridiculously boring.

I'll never understand a game that requires a monthly subscription to play but at the same time essentially limits how much you can play via daily or weekly restrictions. The game basically became doing dailies and logging out. Tuesday was fun after resets - by Thursday I was looking for a new game to invest my spare time in.

Gaming as a whole to me has become an instance where memories are more fun than actually doing it.
 

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...Gaming as a whole to me has become an instance where memories are more fun than actually doing it.


This is so true!
I remember once, I think it was in 2006, after clearing Temple of Ahn'Qiraj four of us (Mage, Rougue, Paladin, Hunter) went to Orgrimmar, got on the roof of one of the buildings and started killing the horde. They were so embarrassed that could not do anything with us for more than an hour. Oh well...
 

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This is so true!
I remember once, I think it was in 2006, after clearing Temple of Ahn'Qiraj four of us (Mage, Rougue, Paladin, Hunter) went to Orgrimmar, got on the roof of one of the buildings and started killing the horde. They were so embarrassed that could not do anything with us for more than an hour. Oh well...

I don't think it is just WoW - everything gaming in general. I don't think it is specific to just myself either. There comes a time where it is like that way for just about everyone.

I have urges to start up again, but then I know the idea of it is the only thing that is enjoyable. In other words, it would be awesome to go build a desktop, or drop $1200 on a nice gaming laptop with flashy RGB keyboards and wonderful specs, but it's basically mind control. It's like when you're trying to lose weight and the idea of eating chocolate cake is so amazing, but then when you do it you find yourself thinking about how dumb it is.

It sadly just isn't enjoyable to me anymore. I'm not sure if that's good or bad - maybe I'm a lifeless human being lol.
 

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I don't think it is just WoW - everything gaming in general. I don't think it is specific to just myself either. There comes a time where it is like that way for just about everyone.

I have urges to start up again, but then I know the idea of it is the only thing that is enjoyable. In other words, it would be awesome to go build a desktop, or drop $1200 on a nice gaming laptop with flashy RGB keyboards and wonderful specs, but it's basically mind control. It's like when you're trying to lose weight and the idea of eating chocolate cake is so amazing, but then when you do it you find yourself thinking about how dumb it is.

It sadly just isn't enjoyable to me anymore. I'm not sure if that's good or bad - maybe I'm a lifeless human being lol.

You are absolutely human, or I am a lifelss human as well. Some months ago I decided to quit for good for the reasons you have mentioned. There is nothing more in the game for me. Just the memories remain.
 

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You are absolutely human, or I am a lifelss human as well. Some months ago I decided to quit for good for the reasons you have mentioned. There is nothing more in the game for me. Just the memories remain.

I feel like if I visited a therapist he would start his evaluation off with "Mhmm ... it alllll started in The Burning Crusade."
 
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LMAO. "Close your eyes, now you are in Azeroth...."

Haha, precisely. "You hear something behind you, what could it be?" ... "Could it be an overPOWERED UNKILLABLE 12 YEAR OLD BUTTON MASHING DEATHKNIGHT???!"

Turns out he plays, rips off his glasses and shirt, snaps his pencil and runs out of the room.
 
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I'll take a moment to reminisce and share my thoughts as a long-time MMO gamer.

I've played WoW off and on since its closed beta. I was 'off' WoW for a long time but when I saw several months ago that a part of their 10 month anniversary was a 40m raid Molten Core I bought the latest xpac and power-leveled a character to 100 just so I could do it one more time (and for some reason saved my free boost for another class). I echo the sentiments around memories being the best part of the long played MMOs. Getting a corehound mount and running through MC with 39 other people one more time was a blast. Vanilla raids - memory or reality? - were my favorite and I still consider our first Four Horsemen kill - think we were world 14th - as a serious achievement. I put more hours into Vanilla than I ever care to know, but played less and less of each xpac - literally only playing Mists as long as it took to play a panda monk through the starting zone... gag - until this last one.

I got back into it, ended up raiding with some old mates and I'll be the first to tell you that some of the Blackrock Foundry fights are damn fun, at least through heroic (I did very little mythic). The game is, with good reason and results, much more accessible than it was years ago. Players who want to experience content but play more casually than older raids required have fantastic options between flex raiding (no set numbers in the raid/difficulty goes up or down based on raid size) or LFRaid and very easy opportunities to gather more than enough materials for consumables within your own instanced garrison.

That said, though, the luster quickly wore off and the hamster wheel reality kicked in pretty hard. The amount of dailies has been tamped down in the literal sense, but are replaced with a myriad of daily tasks... still boring, tedious, but even more repetitive as you log on alts to farm garrisons and/or hop back and forth to others' to pick up something their RNG garrison has that you don't that day... it's just slightly less consciously offensive because they don't show up in your quest log.

All said and done, WoW is still a decent game, but when you consider its steep price point, especially if you've an xpac or two to purchase to get up to speed, I wouldn't recommend it.
 
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WoD is a bad xpac. They (the devs) have openly said nearly every aspect of the game is disappointing. I say nearly, since outside of raids there's zip to do. A lot of things were cut out, done at last minutes or just never happened this xpac. I'd wait and see what happens in the next expansion before remotely suggesting to any one person to try the game. I even quit after 10 years playing. It's suffering from lack of developer attention to content and failed attempts at trying to fix their own messes, something which they've known about since the F&F Alpha for WoD yet did absolutely nothing to change. Enter at your own risk, but don't be shocked just how bored you are in your Garrison. $15 a month isn't worth it.
 
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I'll take a moment to reminisce and share my thoughts as a long-time MMO gamer.

I've played WoW off and on since its closed beta. I was 'off' WoW for a long time but when I saw several months ago that a part of their 10 month anniversary was a 40m raid Molten Core I bought the latest xpac and power-leveled a character to 100 just so I could do it one more time (and for some reason saved my free boost for another class). I echo the sentiments around memories being the best part of the long played MMOs. Getting a corehound mount and running through MC with 39 other people one more time was a blast. Vanilla raids - memory or reality? - were my favorite and I still consider our first Four Horsemen kill - think we were world 14th - as a serious achievement. I put more hours into Vanilla than I ever care to know, but played less and less of each xpac - literally only playing Mists as long as it took to play a panda monk through the starting zone... gag - until this last one.

I got back into it, ended up raiding with some old mates and I'll be the first to tell you that some of the Blackrock Foundry fights are damn fun, at least through heroic (I did very little mythic). The game is, with good reason and results, much more accessible than it was years ago. Players who want to experience content but play more casually than older raids required have fantastic options between flex raiding (no set numbers in the raid/difficulty goes up or down based on raid size) or LFRaid and very easy opportunities to gather more than enough materials for consumables within your own instanced garrison.

That said, though, the luster quickly wore off and the hamster wheel reality kicked in pretty hard. The amount of dailies has been tamped down in the literal sense, but are replaced with a myriad of daily tasks... still boring, tedious, but even more repetitive as you log on alts to farm garrisons and/or hop back and forth to others' to pick up something their RNG garrison has that you don't that day... it's just slightly less consciously offensive because they don't show up in your quest log.

All said and done, WoW is still a decent game, but when you consider its steep price point, especially if you've an xpac or two to purchase to get up to speed, I wouldn't recommend it.

Your thoughts made some memories come back. MC... yes, there were months when we raided it on regular basis with 40 people. I remember when I became the main puller in MC. I was so excited I was shooting with an arrow to which the NPC was immune and could not understand why I could not pull it to the main tank. LOL. MC is close to my heart. When I started playing WOW again some months ago I cleaned it on my own regularly. I was smiling remembering each boss fight, how difficult was it at first and now I do it alone. Actually same goes to all the old 40 men instances.
I recall my first PVP fight that was actually a duel with an orc who approached our guild that was about to have a huge fight with the horde to protect Ashenvale. And my first serious drops farming in Kalimdor.
 
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And that is the biggest problem of WoW.

All you was supposed to do with people, you do alone. Isolation from people is killing this game. The relationships we were creating were meaningful, because we felt like on an adventure, on a journey. Now, if you have LFR, and other things is it really that meaningful, or meaningless?

Also the problem I have is that Diablo 3 offers bigger customization of gear, and even the repetitivness is not a bugger.

I think, maybe Im assuming too much, but I feel like Blizz felt completely exhausted of creating the same all over again. I think thats why they are focusing right now on D3, SC2, HotS, Hearthstone and Overwatch, more than on WoW. Its not a bad game. But does not suck you up into the world like it used to...
 
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I think Blizz wants to refocus there creative fire in team and go on other things instead of WoW. It will not die, but will get less, and less attention, and more, and more into Free to Play or even Buy to Play.

However Im not categorical about "will there be or will be not". It may happen, however it can also not.

P.S. I think the great next MMO from Blizzard can be World of Overwatch. Insane amount of possibilities. And that is what I believe will happen in... 2020 year? ;).
 

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I feel nostalgic as well, but no going back. I started playing at the very beginning in 2004. Those were the times. It became an addiction. Used to be a member of one of the greatest guilds (does not exist anymore). Raided (40 player ones) 3-4 times a week. Was a Guild Master twice. Then I got fed up with raiding and went to hard PVP. Enjoyed for some years. Stopped playing, went back. Found nothing really new, same clichés. Spent time taming all the rare beasts, farming the old bigger instances for rare weapon drops for transmogrification. Stopped playing again. Now just remembering the old good times.

I'm in a very similar boat. I found the most exciting things to do were to hunt for transmog and the like but with weekly and daily lockouts the game just became ridiculously boring.

I'll never understand a game that requires a monthly subscription to play but at the same time essentially limits how much you can play via daily or weekly restrictions. The game basically became doing dailies and logging out. Tuesday was fun after resets - by Thursday I was looking for a new game to invest my spare time in.

Gaming as a whole to me has become an instance where memories are more fun than actually doing it.

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I'm repeating myself, but do that a lot around here. :p
Despite it's static never changing nature, WoW was a compelling environment when I first experienced it during Beta, October 2004. I remember my choice was WoW or Starwars Galaxies. I was afraid WoW was too cartoony, but I was wrong. It was wonderful. Never played Galaxies and it crashed and burned soon after launch as I recall.

The last time I subscribed Dec 2014, I went in to do Mists of Pandaria, thinking I would do that and WoD. Pandaria was beautiful, no one can match Blizzard for this kind of environment, but I only lasted 2 months and got bored, never made it to WoD. Single player friendly is a huge asset if you have an unpredictable playing schedule, but this time around it was been-there-done-that. Kill and collect, escort, only can take me so far, even with new wonderful environments. However, the Dungeon Finder feature is just outstanding if you are a solo player.

For the future, it's too bad they can't create some huge (x100) procedurally generated vanilla sandbox WoW zones like Teldressil, Elwynn Forest, Dark Shore, Ungoro Crater, or Tanaris and allow building or whatever. But then I can see a huge player slum being built. Kind of saw that in Everquest Next Landmark. Maybe instanced building is the way to go. Oh, well, WoW remains the most influential experience of my gaming life. :)

Then there was Titan!! o_O
 
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And that is the biggest problem of WoW.

All you was supposed to do with people, you do alone. Isolation from people is killing this game. The relationships we were creating were meaningful, because we felt like on an adventure, on a journey. Now, if you have LFR, and other things is it really that meaningful, or meaningless?

Also the problem I have is that Diablo 3 offers bigger customization of gear, and even the repetitivness is not a bugger.

I think, maybe Im assuming too much, but I feel like Blizz felt completely exhausted of creating the same all over again. I think thats why they are focusing right now on D3, SC2, HotS, Hearthstone and Overwatch, more than on WoW. Its not a bad game. But does not suck you up into the world like it used to...

Never played Diablo3, played Torchlight instead. Hearthstone irritated me, I've officially quit (for now). And HotS is hanging in there. :)
 

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WoD is a bad xpac.

I agree wholeheartedly. I quit after less than two months of playing it - incredibly boring.

Never played Diablo3, played Torchlight instead. Hearthstone irritated me, I've officially quit (for now). And HotS is hanging in there. :)

Diablo is fun but repetitive. That's probably one of my lasting memories of PC gaming as a whole - it's one of the only games I've ever played on more than one platform. I have migrated to a filthy casual on console in my spare time and one of my favorite games to play is Diablo on PS3. It's got a fun arcade nature to it, and you actually feel like you can put it down without falling behind.
 
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