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iPad Pro iPad Pro a first generation product?
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Just because it's got a bigger display doesn't make it a first gen! It's still an iPad, and a bloody good one! It's a lot better than last years iPad! It has nearly twice the processing power, twice the ram, revolutionary speakers, a larger screen and a stylus to name a few!
And in regards to next years model you have to be realistic... Will we see a ram upgrade? Probably not! Will we see any more cores added? I seriously doubt it! Will we see a slight speed bump? Yes, but when don't we...
However, here's the things I think we might see in the pro 2...
And in regards to next years model you have to be realistic... Will we see a ram upgrade? Probably not! Will we see any more cores added? I seriously doubt it! Will we see a slight speed bump? Yes, but when don't we...
However, here's the things I think we might see in the pro 2...
Thinner and lighter design
More battery life (A10X)
Higher resolution display
Force/3D touch display
More battery life (A10X)
Higher resolution display
Force/3D touch display
But remember this. It won't likely be all four, it will be the first two or the last two! If it does have a higher res display and or force touch it is likely not going to be thinner and lighter as force touch adds bulk (iPhone 6S) and more pixels could suck up more power and require the same size battery even after the A10Xs lower power requirements, or worse still, a bigger battery. Also, a higher res display would use more resources so again, maybe not much of a performance boost either (think iPad 3rd gen). And then you'll have to wait for the pro 3 and the A11X to compensate once again, like the iPad 4 did...
You have to weigh this all up and ask your self, is a higher res display and force touch really worth the trade off on an iPad that already boasts a beautiful display? If yes, wait for the pro 2, if no, get the pro 1 and if you want all of the above, you'll likely be waiting for the pro 3!
You have to weigh this all up and ask your self, is a higher res display and force touch really worth the trade off on an iPad that already boasts a beautiful display? If yes, wait for the pro 2, if no, get the pro 1 and if you want all of the above, you'll likely be waiting for the pro 3!
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It really is amusing the things that people complain about.
The iPad Pro is so heavy, can you believe it?
Sweetheart, take off those 27 bangles on your wrists and you won't notice a darn thing. And guys, really... its less than 1.6 pounds, less than 0.8 pounds per hand. What does a 12 ounce beer weigh (uh, 12 ounces... 0.75 pounds)? Y'all sure do hold those well enough.
Its so expensive, why is it so expensive?
Providing you significantly larger screen with equal battery life, an excellent audio upgrade, and substantially improved performance... does someone here think that those things don't cost money? Apple is a business, not a charity.
The Pencil has a dumb charging connection.
Well guess what, at 12 hours of battery life, and 30 minutes of battery life achieved by a 15 second charge, a full charge can be had in just 6 minutes. Now assuming that the rate of charge will reduce when the Pencil reaches about 80%, we are still looking at under 10 minutes to charge from dead to full. Now, if you think about it, how many times will you need to charge the Pencil while you are waving the iPad Pro around in the air? Me, I'll probably only charge the Apple Pencil while the iPad Pro is laying flat on a desk/table/counter. If the Pencil is getting low on battery and I'm in a couch to use it and the iPad... I'm sure i can carve-out 30-90 seconds of down-time to give the Pencil a decent charge.
I'm an early adopter and I can say that from that perspective, the biggest thing that makes a product inadequate is the creativity/flexibility of the user. Think about it, Mobile Web Apps are getting pretty darn good. App Developers are getting good at making different versions for different devices. Accessory makers are bending backwards to sell you the shirt off their backs to ensure that you have every single accessory that you could want for... and then some.
First Gen devices are never perfect (Are Second Gen devices perfect? No, or there would never be a Third Gen.), they are good enough to set the stage for the Second Gen. They are good enough to help recoup some of the R&D costs for the whole product category. They are good enough to create a new market, or at least compete strongly in an emerging market.
The iPad Pro is so heavy, can you believe it?
Sweetheart, take off those 27 bangles on your wrists and you won't notice a darn thing. And guys, really... its less than 1.6 pounds, less than 0.8 pounds per hand. What does a 12 ounce beer weigh (uh, 12 ounces... 0.75 pounds)? Y'all sure do hold those well enough.
Its so expensive, why is it so expensive?
Providing you significantly larger screen with equal battery life, an excellent audio upgrade, and substantially improved performance... does someone here think that those things don't cost money? Apple is a business, not a charity.
The Pencil has a dumb charging connection.
Well guess what, at 12 hours of battery life, and 30 minutes of battery life achieved by a 15 second charge, a full charge can be had in just 6 minutes. Now assuming that the rate of charge will reduce when the Pencil reaches about 80%, we are still looking at under 10 minutes to charge from dead to full. Now, if you think about it, how many times will you need to charge the Pencil while you are waving the iPad Pro around in the air? Me, I'll probably only charge the Apple Pencil while the iPad Pro is laying flat on a desk/table/counter. If the Pencil is getting low on battery and I'm in a couch to use it and the iPad... I'm sure i can carve-out 30-90 seconds of down-time to give the Pencil a decent charge.
I'm an early adopter and I can say that from that perspective, the biggest thing that makes a product inadequate is the creativity/flexibility of the user. Think about it, Mobile Web Apps are getting pretty darn good. App Developers are getting good at making different versions for different devices. Accessory makers are bending backwards to sell you the shirt off their backs to ensure that you have every single accessory that you could want for... and then some.
First Gen devices are never perfect (Are Second Gen devices perfect? No, or there would never be a Third Gen.), they are good enough to set the stage for the Second Gen. They are good enough to help recoup some of the R&D costs for the whole product category. They are good enough to create a new market, or at least compete strongly in an emerging market.
Well, you might be looking at it the wrong way. The iPad Pro is exactly the same device as the iPad Air 2 and Mini 4....if you look at it's heart. If you are like me and never had an iPad before, then neither experience could go wrong. Now, if you currently have on that works for you, I'd skip the first gen.
I think the Pro is designed for people that need a ''bigger creativity canvas''.
I think the Pro is designed for people that need a ''bigger creativity canvas''.
Ok so I wasn't to worried about the weight until you just so clearly pointed that all out... You have successfully made me think this thing is going to be uncomfortable to hold...
Significantly more space should in theory provide significantly more battery life, no? And substantially more performance is given with every iteration of an iDevice, it's what makes customers want to go out and give Apple even more of their hard earned cash and ditch their year old toy for the new one!
Don't worry fella, Apple are pretty far from a charity, being that they hoard enough money to end world hunger...
I would say in this particular case, unless you absolutely need one (or are made of money), it would be prudent to sit this one out and wait for gen2.
It has 4GB of RAM. Support will not be dropped anytime soon.
I don't see how the next gen will be any pro "pro" than the current one. It's not like they're going to add ports or OS X. It will just be faster and maybe have 3d touch.
You think Apple will give your twice the storage, twice the RAM, and a much bigger screen for 100 dollars more than the Air 2? Keep dreaming.
besides, before you know it i'm sure the Pencil will happily replicate 3d touch for almost all apps if needed.
It's funny but I think the Pencil means the Pro already has 3D touch. It's just as pressure sensitive as "3D touch" is on the phone, if not more. You pay $99, you get 3D touch.
it clearly seems like one.
runs iOS only > I expect the next generation to run a "desktop OS", much like the surface pro.
front facing camera low resolution > there would be quite a few great uses with a "usable" camera (ie 8mp+)
stylus great idea but still looks first gen: expensive for what it is
no 3d touch
low memory to be able to use it as a laptop let alone main computer
connectivity is pretty low. I would have expected a USB port (C, or lightning > USB cable, something)...
runs iOS only > I expect the next generation to run a "desktop OS", much like the surface pro.
front facing camera low resolution > there would be quite a few great uses with a "usable" camera (ie 8mp+)
stylus great idea but still looks first gen: expensive for what it is
no 3d touch
low memory to be able to use it as a laptop let alone main computer
connectivity is pretty low. I would have expected a USB port (C, or lightning > USB cable, something)...
I'm inclined to wait for the revised model, though that is in part because I'm really very happy with the Air 2 and don't feel a strong pull for a new device. The Pro would open up a few additional usage options for me, but it is also rather big, so for other things I'd still use my Air.
The Pro looks good to me (and I haven't really made a definite decision yet), there's just nothing about it that is must-have for me currently. So I may get the next MBR, then wait to see what the differences between the Air 3 and Pro 2 will be. Apps for the Pro will also have come along further by then. For me, that would probably be the most sensible approach.
But mileage and usage do vary.
The Pro looks good to me (and I haven't really made a definite decision yet), there's just nothing about it that is must-have for me currently. So I may get the next MBR, then wait to see what the differences between the Air 3 and Pro 2 will be. Apps for the Pro will also have come along further by then. For me, that would probably be the most sensible approach.
But mileage and usage do vary.
As an art director. The iPad pro is a dream come true. I am not bothering to wait for Gen 2. I can always sell it and use the proceeds to buying the next version if it that much of an improvement. As others have said, if everyone waited for the second iteration of a device we would have nothing.
I feel the same. I've wanted a good stylus for iOS since the Pogo first released before the iPad was even a real product, and Brushes was the only good art app on the iPhone. In that time I've tried countless iOS styluses, other tablets, Wacom products, etc. And my hunger for an iOS stylus was never sated. Finally, they've come through and fulfilled my wishes. The lack of 3D Touch is the *only* feature that has me concerned about the devices longevity, and that's just not enough to keep me away. I want this product and I also want to support Apple's decision to invest in a stylus, hoping they continue to support and expand the product line well into the future. I do think the Pro is powerful enough that it will hold its resale value well if one decides to sell and upgrade for those more auxiliary features like 3D Touch.
I have an iPad 3. I don't really need it to be faster for anything other than potential multitasking and keeping up with art apps. Considering the pro is the beefiest iPad yet, it's good enough already.
There's really nothing they can add to revision 2 that'll make the first gen pointless, I mean.. 4GB and the new cpu, it's fast enough.
Making it lighter isn't that big a deal either - artists will be leaning it on something or using a stand, and it's pretty light already.
It really depends what you want it for though, if you wanted it for gaming (weird) then wait for Pro 2.. Super high poly 3d modelling? Wait.. Drawing? Why wait? 3D Touch doesn't add much for many peoples planned usage.
There's really nothing they can add to revision 2 that'll make the first gen pointless, I mean.. 4GB and the new cpu, it's fast enough.
Making it lighter isn't that big a deal either - artists will be leaning it on something or using a stand, and it's pretty light already.
It really depends what you want it for though, if you wanted it for gaming (weird) then wait for Pro 2.. Super high poly 3d modelling? Wait.. Drawing? Why wait? 3D Touch doesn't add much for many peoples planned usage.
Tell that to the people who bought the Air 1.
I think that you have some odd definitions for "naive" and "immature".
Blindly buying the latest and greatest is no different than blindly avoiding the 1st gen.
Everyone has different priorities and needs. Based on their firsthand experiences they'll draw a conclusion. That conclusion is right for them... not universally applicable to all. We can be helpful to others when we share our priorities and needs and what we decided to purchase and what to avoid. Then others can see which of those scenarios most closely matches their situation and consider the choices made.
I have a "sense" about gadgets. I can't explain it, but I have a knack for buying the right device at the right time for the right price for MY needs. I pre-ordered the iPad 1. Bought the iPad 2. knew to skip the 3. Bought the iPad 4. Knew to skip the Air 1. Saw the Air 2 as the next one but didn't feel the timing was right to buy it at launch. With the release of iOS 9 and exclusive capabilities of the Air 2 (plus a $150 off Air 2) it was time for me to buy NOW.
My "spidey" sense told me that now is not the time to buy the iPad Pro. There's one or two things missing from it that don't warrant buying it now. (no, 3D touch is not one of them)
I don't expect that people with different experiences, priorities, and needs as mine to agree with my decisions. To do so would actually be pretty foolish.
Sorry, but there is more to the iPad Pro than simply a larger screen. It IS a first gen. It is the first gen with the new keyboard connector. It is the first gen with support for an active stylus.
It is what it is. For some who avoid 1st gen products on principle, they should avoid this iPad Pro.
The biggest thing being a lack of 3D Touch. That is going to add so much more functionality to the iPad Pro. Yeah, next year's going to be better.
I have that feeling too. Reminds me of when I skipped the DS, got the 3DS when it went down in price and got the New 3DS when it hit. For me to get something first gen, I have to a significant discount (or, like the Apple watch, it was better than a fuel band to me).
My main problem now is waiting for the ''perfect'' Macbook Pro.
